Are these victorian urns real?

So I bought these.

The height is about 10 inches (25cm)
Material, cast iron.

I'm concerned about whether or not these are actually from the 1800s:

They are one-piece constructions but there's a seam in the thinnest part of the 'leg', it sort of cuts the vertical lines (see pictures.. hard to tell from them though) The urns can't be taken in pieces but have been clearly made out of two castings.

Help!

 

Any help?
https://www.1stdibs.com/furniture/b...n=furniture&utm_term=Planters+and+Jardinieres
EDIT
Dang... that's STONE! Sorry!

 

And some of the shapes are slightly different

 

No one seems to know.

What about @verybrad ?

 

They look pretty good to me but I am not 100% certain. I like the fact that there seems to be some lack of detail on the base where it looks like water may have flowed over time and the base rusted away a bit. I like the fact that the rust and age patterns appear to be genuine due to age.

What I am not particularly sure about is how the base is attached to the body. On many old urns, the pieces are either not attached at all or are bolted together. The rather small size might account for this being cast in one piece.

I don't know what to think about that seam you mention in the stem at all. It really makes no sense for the pieces to be cast separately and joined there. If they were going to cast pieces separately, I would think that a joint above that where the base meets the body would make more sense. One possibility is that the seam was in the original model and appears as such in the casting. I would take a careful look at both urns and see if the patterns in this joint are identical with each other. If so, this is a sloppy casting detail and would point toward a reproduction. An old broken and weathered urn may have been used as the original model, accounting for this seam and the worn looking base as well.

 

@verybrad

The seems appear at least similar. A couple of vertical lines are out of alignment just enough for it to be visible and then suddenly the rest of them match, but there is a slight depression where the seem goes.
The seem is right at (or ever so slightly below, not sure) the tightest part of the hole where the walls come 'inwards' before spreading out towards the base and the little "pool" in the bottom of the urn (see pictures below)

If they are reproductions, then circa what? They can't be brand new due to the lichen and the very rough inner side of the urns. I would think very new ones would have smooth interior?
These were sold to me as "19th century urns" so words can't describe how let down and sad I am to have paid a lot of money for likely reproductions ONCE AGAIN.
It really seems impossible to find anything that's not either fake or been tampered with.. and then people ask me "Why do you always get rid of things that you just bought?"

 

In the first of your new pictures, there appears to be a seam visible on the interior of the narrowest portion of the opening. If you can confirm this, I would have to say that the seam is real and supports the idea that these are indeed old. It seems to be an odd way of making these but what do I know? The condition of the interior with that dimpling also supports the idea that these are old.

 

Thanks,

I scrolled through Bukowski's site and found a couple of examples that have "the seam"

This is from the 1800's (I'm not 100% sure there is a seem but it looks that way when you zoom in.. or maybe it's the light and the shadow but again on the one on the right the side silhouette of the stem looks seamed too):

https://www.bukowskis.com/en/lots/324668-tradgardsurnor-1-par-gjutjarn-1800-tal


This one is from the early 1900's:

https://www.bukowskis.com/en/lots/540572-tradgardsurna-1900-talets-forsta-halft


Oddly a couple of years before the urn above, they had two identical ones but described them as "late 1900's" instead of "the first half of the 20th century" like they did on that other urn.. Maybe they weren't sure.

https://www.bukowskis.com/en/lots/3...par-svartat-gjutjarn-empirestil-sent-1900-tal

 

The seam seems to be in the same place as the narrowest "sharp" tight area is in the hole as you said. I tried to measure it with my finger to see if they align but it's difficult. Seems that way.

 

Another thing I just discovered after looking at the pattern!

There also seems to be quite a straight seam going around the "waist" aka the very narrowest part of the top of the urn (under the top rim of the urns)

Does this change something, @verybrad ?

 

I don't think so. That seems to be a logical place for a seam to me. Not sure how these are seamed. Didn't think you could weld cast iron but might be wrong.

Edit: Just checked and found that you can weld cast iron but it is difficult and used primarily for repairs. Brazing seems to be the preferred method for joining parts.

http://www.welding-advisers.com/Brazing-cast-iron.html

 

I wonder how long that technique has been used? That could offer clues regarding the age.