Help decipher handwriting on a CDV

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  1. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I recently bought a small group of carte de visite (CDV) photographs, some of which are identified on the back. I think the writing on the back of this one might say Jos Mather (i.e., Joseph Mather). But am not absolutely sure. This is an early CDV, from the 1860s. The photographer is Starkweather of Jamaica Plain, Massachusetts.

    Can anybody help with the writing on the back? Thanks! I've done a quick search on Joseph Mather but not enough of a search to verify anything. Or new thought: how about Mathis as a last name?

    Starkweather CDV (421x640).jpg

    Here is a close up of the writing:

    Starkweather CDV2.jpg

    The entire back:

    Starkweather CDV2 original (420x640).jpg
     
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  2. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    Just a wild-eyed guess but . . .

    could it be Jos(eph) M ???? or McGee(s)????? or some such??????????? :rolleyes:
     
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  3. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    My guess:

    Jas for James
    Mather
     
  4. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    I agree with Pat, Jas. for James.

    --- Susan
     
  5. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    There were Mathers in that area of MA back in the 1600s and 1700s. The Mathers were an important clergy family of MA back then from the immigrant progenitor the Rev. Richard Mathers, his son Rev. Increase Mathers and the 3rd generation the Rev. Cotton Mathers. They were notable Puritans in the Mass. Bay Colony. No doubt there is extensive genealogy on that family. If someone has the their genealogy at hand, one could easily see if there was a James Mathers living c1880s.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Mather

    --- Susan
     
  6. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Huh ?
    Looks to me like it says.........for Mother.......

    You guys are weird......or wired.......or sumpthin....:hilarious::hilarious::hilarious:
     
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  7. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    I see " for mother " as well.
     
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  8. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Fig, he looks like he's wearing payot, or Jewish sidelocks...

    Temple Ohabei Shalom (est. 1842) in Brookline, not far from Jamaica Plain, is the oldest Jewish congregation in Massachusets.

    I can't see if he's wearing a yamulke :)
     
  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Sometimes a cigar....is just a good smoke !

    Oh..& my daughter used to live in Jamaica Plain, Mass. , when she was attending art school.........but in this century ! ;)
     
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  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!


    I'm thinking they may be a tad longer than that and not over the ear.....

    [​IMG]
     
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  11. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Not all Jewish sects wear the same style sidelocks (those are not sideburns! :)) Some wear them long, and some wear them coiled.

    Payot wiki (Styles)
     
  12. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    I`m in the "For Mother" camp too.

    Starkweather CDV2.jpg
     
  13. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Had not thought of "for Mother." I'm leaning to that now. Thanks, All!

    :):singing::):singing:
     
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  14. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Looks to me like he's wearing a bit of a white collar on the right side of his neck, partially hidden by his beard......too white to be skin......
     
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  15. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    Do you guys really think that he's wearing sideburns?

    Just curious...
     
  16. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    do you mean sidelocks...
     
  17. Shangas

    Shangas Underage Antiques Collector and Historian

    I think it's Jas. Mather (James Mather).

    The second letter in the first word has a distinct downward dip at the end, before the 's'. It wouldn't be there if it was an 'o'. It would, if it was an 'a'.
     
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  18. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Good point. Thanks! So the search continues... I suppose I could try to establish whether somebody with that name was known to live in the area where the photo was taken in the 1860s.
     
  19. scoutshouse

    scoutshouse Well-Known Member

    No, Komo - if you don't think they were payots or sidelocks I assume you think they are normal sideburns? :)
     
  20. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I'm not sure what's going on with his ears...but they're not sideburns.....he has a full beard.

    Like I do !
     
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