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Discussion in 'Introductions' started by reboot, May 18, 2016.

  1. reboot

    reboot New Member

    in algeria
     

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  2. reboot

    reboot New Member

    Is in Algeria
     
  3. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    This is some souvenir from Egypt, imitating the bust of Nefertiti, the Queen of Egypt. The famous original is in Berlin.
     
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  4. reboot

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  5. reboot

    reboot New Member

    Souvenir in Egypt from clay and not copper
     
  6. Mat

    Mat Well-Known Member

    Ok, then please can you tell me what it is?
     
  7. reboot

    reboot New Member

    I do not know I do not have a relationship with history who wants to purchase comes expert
     
  8. Ruedi

    Ruedi Active Member

    Sorry..I do not understand your last comment. Is this copper and is it open at the bottom? If so I had one about 30 years ago..sold for 400...more bronze than copper. Were produced shortly after the king tut discovery
     
  9. reboot

    reboot New Member

    Is this copper and is it open at the bottom yes its that
     
  10. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    It is certainly a bust of Nefertiti, an Egyptian-style souvenir.
    On her crown one sees the "Uraeus" (cobra) symbolic of Egyptian royalty of that time, as on your version. Also note the similarity in the neckpiece.

    See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nefertiti_Bust for discussion and photos of the original on which this is based, now in Berlin, as Mat mentioned.

    Nefertiti.jpg Nefertiti 2.jpg
     
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  11. reboot

    reboot New Member

    Is not the same that I've got is Sommarah an African civilization is not an Egyptian
     
  12. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    I would wish to welcome you to the Antiquers forum, and not argue;
    but I might mention that when trying to identify objects it is best to keep an open mind.
    I'm not sure why an African sculpture would have an Egyptian symbol on the crown, but I suppose it could be possible.
    Why do you think your item is African? Can you post photos of similar African items, or provide links to information about the Sommarah culture? I'm not familiar with it.
     
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  13. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    Egypt is in Africa. Early Egyptian civilization was African.

    As to "Sommarah," no idea what that is or means...are you misspelling it? Where did you get the term "Sommarah" from?
     
  14. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  15. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    Sumerian (?) I wouldn't have thought of that, Komokwa, is that what the OP thinks the item is? Of course that civilization wasn't in Africa. This is, I believe, a lost cause...I'm going to bed!
     
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  16. reboot

    reboot New Member

    Sumerian civilization 2,000 years ago, and this is found in the pre-farming area
     
  17. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I'm just grasping at straws here Taupou...trying to find something that fits .
    Other than what's been shown to be , because of the pushback.

    I hope you slept well ! :):)
     
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  18. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Did you find it yourself, or were you told that? If someone told you that, I think they lied. I'd suggest forming your own opinion, based on evidence. I know that might be difficult if you paid a lot of money for this.....but if that is the case, perhaps you can prove to the seller, or the police, that you were cheated.

    The item is a souvenir based on the Berlin Nefertiti, which was found in 1912.
    The cobra/Uraeus seen in the item that began this thread and the Berlin Nefertiti bust is specific to the Egyptian culture, not the Sumerian. It is a symbol of Egyptian royalty, not Sumerian.
    We see the same elongated neck, and the same collar as on the Berlin Nefertiti; and it wears the same crown, even with the same decorative sweat-band. This crown is a flat-topped variant of the "Blue Crown of Egypt," and this flat-topped version was popularized around 1350 BCE by Nefertiti, but became popular in souvenir sculpture after 1912. Sumerians did not wear this crown.

    Here is what you see by searching "souvenir bust of Nefertiti"
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...i&qpvt=souvenir+bust+of+nefertiti&FORM=IQFRML

    Note how many of the items are essentially identical to the one at the beginning of this thread.

    Here is a search for "Sumerian bust." What do you think is more likely; modern souvenir or ancient Sumerian?
    http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=sumerian bust&qs=n&form=QBIRMH&pq=sumerian bust&sc=0-12&sp=-1&sk=

    I know, wasting my breath......
     
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  19. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    your breath smells fine to me !!!:)
     
  20. reboot

    reboot New Member

    I have no knowledge of archeology, but this artifact found by a friend of mine in a tomb in the agricultural area and has nothing to do with history and Fetch guide me so that I do to helping only do more and we are at a loss of a hurry, do not know about anything we want to assist in the sale and were you any information about the the original history or that was a way for you to know that was the truth or not helped us in it.
     
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