Bronze mortar and bell

Hello, i bought these 2 bronze items, any info about them? are they genuine? dates, values etc would be much appreciated, any info at all.
mortar

http://i.imgur.com/bCJtJGL.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/g1dCtGe.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/QG6clbQ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dPpt4kt.jpg

bell
http://i.imgur.com/X4YxRbY.jpg

i found this:
http://www.kahnfineantiques.com/index.cfm?ImgId=536

which is similar to mine yes? however that says probably possibly English circa 1680? i can get a pic of the inside of the bell if its helpful. i'm sure the bell is genuinley old, but the mortar a reproduction maybe? i have given both items a rough/unprofessional clean with water before those pics also

both items sold in same lot at an auction (Durrant's auctions) in England, there was no items info, they were just listed as "Antiques"

 

Hola, Andy! You'll probably get the best response if you post pictures, full size, here. Some members are either too busy or just plain hesitant to go to unknown sites. Your items look very interesting! Good luck!

 

thank you kindly, Gila!

 

My pleasure! I'm sure the metals brainiacs will be along soon!

 

Is that arabic writing on the bell?

 

to me it looks like two seahorse creatures either side with a small dolphin on top or something... dunno about the middle

 

this is a bell that is 17th century, notice the pattern , similar to mine i believe... heres the 17th century google bell



and heres my bell

 

actually i just noticed, the patterns are the same

 

I dont see it that way...

 

whats different?

 

shape, style, design

 

What are the dimensions?

 

those are just the "font" i believe. the two things flanking the middle... same notches in the head, tail curling same way, weird dolphin like thing on top in both... etc

 

10.7 cm high (including the handle part)
10.7 cm base width

 

The shape and marks are similar, but the only striking similarity for me is the top thingie (what do you call that... a loop?) that is square with a round hole.

 

Yes. Dolphins on bells are the classic thing...

 

Sides on your bell seem to be straight and the other bell - convex

 

...but there are people here that know much more of this. I just call it as I see it

 

yes different bell shapes of course, but not hugely different

 

Sorry but both of your items are inexpensive, modern souvenir/tourist pieces. I think the smoother one pictured above for comparison is about the same, just a little more carefully cast, but still worth very little. I've had a lot of authentic antique bells and yours aren't in that category.