Tortoise Shell - Valuable?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by BirdyDust2, Aug 8, 2014.

  1. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Birdy, please come back to this thread and update us when it's sold. :)
     
  2. BirdyDust2

    BirdyDust2 New Member

    I sure will :)

    Although, the sale is not for another month.
     
  3. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

  4. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Great news, Birdy. It's lovely and I hope it exceeds the estimate!

    Could the restrictions in the U.S. on older items be because of new items being made to look old and sold as antiques?
     
  5. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    Signed Aug. 5.

    No selling ANY kind of ivory new OR old. Done.

    Here's the knife in our backs. " c. A person may convey ivory, an ivory product, rhinoceros horn, or a rhinoceros horn product to the legal beneficiary of the ivory, ivory product, rhinoceros horn, or rhinoceros horn product which is part of an estate or other items being conveyed to lawful beneficiaries upon the death of the owner of the ivory, ivory product, rhinoceros horn, or rhinoceros horn product or in anticipation of that death."

    In other words, ivory, antique or not, cannot be sold in N.J...

    http://www.njleg.state.nj.us/2014/Bills/A3500/3128_I1.HTM
     
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  6. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    This also puts early authentic whaling era scrimshaw off limits.

    I guess these will be next, Colonial era powder horns.

    [​IMG]
     
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  7. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    I doubt reason will ever prevail. We're stuck with it now.

    The passing of this law was LAUDED ALL OVER the internet.
     
  8. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

  9. Messilane

    Messilane Well-Known Member

  10. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Well, they don't fail ME -- but I hesitate to use them as I would be considered opprobrious!
     
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  11. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    So we can't sell or gift pianos with ivory keys, parlor guitars with ivory inlay,and any other common item in many US homes, only bequeath to lawful beneficiaries ???? :(
     
  12. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi Shiloh,
    Yeeepers. Except it can be sold to a university, museum or research group. It does not say if the university, museum or research group can sell them.
    There was a news report that Lark Mason (the Asian expert on AR) who has his business in NYC is moving to Texas where he would still be able to sell his antique
    Chinese ivories.
    greg
     
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  13. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    I just posted a bagpipe with ivory thread I found tonight in my Kovel's email. So rediculous.
     
  14. yourturntoloveit

    yourturntoloveit Well-Known Member

    And then there's this recent news article about ivory --
    NC Zoo plan to destroy ivory, rhino horn postponed
    By Martha Quillin
    August 11, 2014

    "A plan by the North Carolina Zoo to incinerate about 200 pounds of elephant ivory and rhino horn as a statement against animal poaching has been delayed while lawyers study the rules on the destruction of state property.

    The zoo had planned to burn the items on Tuesday – designated as World Elephant Day 2014 – to draw attention to recent dramatic increases in the poaching of African elephants and rhinos.

    The N.C. Zoological Park, just outside Asheboro, has accumulated a store of ivory and horn over the years, most of which were culled from elephants and rhinos that had died at the zoo. Some of the pieces of rhino horns are the sharp tips that had been trimmed from live animals to prevent them from goring one another (emphasis added).
    . . . .

    The N.C. Zoo would put the items into the incinerator it uses to cremate animal remains. If the zoo finds an educational need for ivory or rhino horn, it can use models, Jones said.

    Because the items at the zoo are not sellable, they have no value, but even so are considered state property and must be disposed of according to the rules, Jones said.

    Lawyers for the state Department of Environment and Natural Resources, which oversees the park, are reviewing the statutes to make sure it’s legal to burn the items."


    http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/08/11/4065493/nc-zoo-plan-to-destroy-ivory-rhino.html
     
  15. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Maybe they could swap the rhino horn for a couple of pandas?
     
  16. spirit-of-shiloh

    spirit-of-shiloh Well-Known Member

    If an elephant breaks a tusk it will grow back.
    False! Tusks are teeth and just like our teeth, if one is broken, it stays broken. But unlike our teeth, a tusk can continue growing from the root if that isn’t damaged. It’s not unusual to see an elephant with only one tusk because the other was injured to the point that it stopped growing.

    The tusk is the equivalent of our incisor teeth (the tooth on either side of our two front teeth). It is made of ivory, a material soft enough to be carved, which is the root of the poaching problem.

    [​IMG]One of the largest tusks ever found was about 10 feet long and weighed over 200 pounds. Tusks can grow up to seven inches a year.
     
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