Please help with signature on painting

I've tried several combinations without any luck. To me, it looks like BorsiB or BarsiB or BaisiB.

I took these photographs with my cell phone and the painting got cut off, half was black. At least the signature came out.

Yikes, 4 a.m. I'm going to sleep. I'll check back in the morning (probably afternoon).

 

First thought was BorsiB. Then again possibly BarsiB. Then again for a 3rd time and 4th time possibly BorgiB. or BargiB. I know, big help. Hold the phone! Found a painting in the same genre as yours credited to a an Hungarian artist Barsib! The painting has the same small white house with the pitched, gabled, roof in the background, possibly the same river but different bridge, and possibly the same mountain peak. Nowww don't get your hopes up, for nothing more is said about the artist. Also the site doesn't show a pic of the sig.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/4591739

Ooops found another by the same artist and genre. Here they say: "SOME PEOPLE HAVE NOTED BARSIB TO BE A HUNGARIAN ARTIST." A pic of the sig is supplied. This sig looks the same as yours.
http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/barsib-vtg-plein-air-landscape-245366126

aaannnd then there is this one:
http://www.nadeausauction.com/lotdetails/?lot=25461

Gee, he must not have gotten out of the house much for all more or less the same place.

Here are 4 of his paintings at the bottom of the following WorthPoint page. All that is said about him is Hungarian and mid 1900s.
http://www.worthpoint.com/inventory/search?categoryurl=&query=barsib&search-left=

--- Susan

 

Thank you!

I wonder why none of the listed artist services have him listed. I thought they listed anyone with auction results?

All the paintings are very similar. He is definitely better than the "starving artist" paintings that tend to do the same thing over and over.

Does anyone have the ability to see how much his paintings sold for?

 

Bela Barsi, (1872 - 1913). Some say Hungarian, other Polish.

 

You should do a bit more of research. Don't know if there were two artists by the same name but some sources claim the day of birth to be 1916 or 1906.
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/HUNGARY/2007-08/1187387123

 

Then there is this one on the Christie website. It says name B. Barsi 20th century. I suspect Bela Barsi is the correct name.
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/...girl-2535318-details.aspx?intObjectID=2535318

http://www.mutualart.com/Artist/B--Barsi/7A8C661E2E82FEC8

and then there is this one giving the (Polish, 1872-1913) info Kardinalisimo gave. The printing of the sig looks similar to yours but a longer name.
http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/1928324

--- Susan

 

Wow, thank you both!!

I was just going through all the links and saw the Christie's auction from 2001. Wow again!

Do you think it is two people from the same family? With the two different names, two different time periods but very similar styles and similar handwriting, I would venture to guess it probably is.

It amazes me how successful you are researching everything. I need to join ancestry and one of those auction results websites.

Thank you so much!

 

>Do you think it is two people from the same family? With the two different names, two different time periods but very similar styles and similar handwriting, I would venture to guess it probably is.<

Hmmmm... I haven't a clue, but something tells me not because the sig are just tooooo similar, the painting all seem to be of the same locale, and they all appear to date from the mid 1900s. Did you look at the other replies on that rootsweb forum query? I read a couple of them with one of them saying:

Date of Birth
24 January 1906, Palotaújfalu, Austria-Hungary (now Hungary)
Date of Death
30 April 1968, Budapest, Hungary.
Alternate Names:Barsy Béla

saying Barsi was an actor with painting a hobby. This would account for the lack of paintings and lack of diversity in landscapes. The reply linked to the following:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0058278/bio

The earlier dates might be say his father with sellers hoping the painting(s) were that old. I do think most everyone feel the paintings are mid-1900s.

--- Susan

 

Yes, I just read through that entire thread. Now I'm wondering if he was contracting with an Art Broker here in the USA since that woman's husband bought the painting in a department store in NY.

A few years ago, I had several paintings by an Artist from England. I had a date wrong in his bio and his niece was nice enough to contact me to correct it. She gave me a short bio of her Uncle. He had gone to art school and had shown at the RWA in England. However, like so many other artists, he got a "real job" and painted for pleasure. An art broker from the US saw his work in a Gallery Show and contracted with him to buy his paintings to be sold here in the US at high end retailers.

His niece said they wanted scenic landscapes of the local area. That may account for the Barsi paintings being so similar. It was the same time period and he passed away around the same time as Barsi. It could be the reason so many of the Barsi paintings are here.

I need to find my notes, I don't remember if she gave me the name of the broker.

 

Here is a photo of the whole painting.

 

This site dates a Béla Barsi painting as 1902. If true, that would have to be the earlier one that Kardinalisimo mentioned, and not the actor.

http://www.amodi.hu/muveszet/kortars_xx_szazadi__muveszek_galeriaja/kortars_galeria/barsi_bela_4.php

The "Made of: 1902" is a bad automatic translation on that site. I changed it to the Hungarian version -- "Készült: 1902" and Google translate says it is "Year: 1902"

 

Thank you for the link. That painting with that frame, does not look like 1902 at all. I suppose the frame could have been changed.

I'm still thinking there are two artists named Barsi.

The painting in this previous link from above, looks older. Look at the way the back of the frame is constructed. The Plaza Art Galleries label on the back also looks older.

I found a website that might have the auction records from that gallery. Maybe I can find the date it was auctioned there. That may help solve part of the mystery of the different spelling of the names and possibly the dates of birth.

 

Here is an English translation of Fig's link.

http://translate.google.com/transla...hp&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-2

--- Susan

 

maybe if you show the stretchers and the back of the canvas we can get better idea of the age.

 

Mill Cove Treasures, the sig on the painting on the Hungarian site looks exactly like the one on yours.

 

I have a similar painting by Bela Barsi. Very confusing to have 2 artist with the similar style and signature. My canvas has staples in it which leads me to believe its after 1940's. Im trying to figure out how to upload the photo

 

You would use the "upload a file" button that is under the editing window. Although this is an older thread you could still add to it.

 

You can also upload files from a hosting site by using the little box above with the moon in the upper left & mountains below. It opens a window for you to paste the direct link and the photo will appear immediately in the post.

The painting may have been removed from the original stretcher and re-stretched. When you do post your photographs, post a photo of the stretcher and the staples.