What is it

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  1. Jtw1313

    Jtw1313 Active Member

    15E0D0CE-3860-4787-8F91-176869A41B81.jpeg B059C77D-0D56-4B77-9A1D-F0E4B3385D87.jpeg BBA3F4B7-4AB7-4822-A796-397E76C0B34A.jpeg 7098DB42-84E8-4AC6-8158-6976E4E83BA8.jpeg 6AD2758C-ED41-4EEA-A60E-940D3133EE6E.jpeg 057CBBE9-F7E6-492D-B60F-86DA7691D054.jpeg If anyone can translate writing or help with information it is appreciated. Has fish and crosses etched around the middle. With a inscription at top.
     
  2. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Hmm,thats an interesting piece. Can we see the bottom ? Obviously religious,with the fish and crosses,so maybe some sort of mass item ? To me it looks very old and possibly silver .
     
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  3. Jtw1313

    Jtw1313 Active Member

    12A17791-3AA6-46BA-90DD-F73DAF6BCCDB.jpeg I don’t think it is silver but it is non magnetic. I’m not finding any markings other than the writing at the top
     
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  4. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    I agree,maybe its pewter .
     
  5. shallow_ocean_spectre

    shallow_ocean_spectre fine.books' bumping squirrel

    I don't even recognise the character forms; it looks like something out of the Voynich Manuscript. If it's Liturgical Geʽez, this must be an Eritrean Orthodox vessel, no? @Bronwen HELP!

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  6. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I would try @Any Jewelry for this one. I do not recognize the script. Looks like it might read right to left. S_O_S may well be on the right track of Eritrean or Ethiopian.

    There could be small marks hidden among the ornamentation & tarnish patches. I wouldn't want to see it all bright & shiny, but a going over with a sunshine cloth to bring high points out of the dark may be revealing.
     
  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It is beautiful and very unusual. The designs are chased or engraved, not etched.
    Many cultures in the Mediterranean coastal region of the Middle East were fond of fish symbols, especially the Palestinians. Their traditional jewellery included beautiful filigree fish and other fish imagery.
    So I would say Palestinian Christian.

    The script could be Kufic script, an early Arabic script form which is still used for calligraphy etc.
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Maybe @santiques can read the script. He also has valuable knowledge of the styles of the region. Saleh, can you help?:)
     
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  9. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    Those seem definitely like Christian symbols. The fish and the cross. Have you thought of Coptic Christians or some other small group from the area?
     
  10. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    As far as I know Coptic Christians use Coptic script, which is based on Greek script. It is very much part of their Coptic as well as their Christian identity.
     
  11. shallow_ocean_spectre

    shallow_ocean_spectre fine.books' bumping squirrel

    @Any Jewelry - I don't think so, and I've ruled out a lot of Middle Eastern roots and variants. Based on this character:

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    I think the root language is from Old Turkic (i.e. Orkhon or Göktürk if you prefer). Wild guess: southern Türkistan?
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  12. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    Following @Bronwen's suggestion, how about Amharic - an Ethiopian language written with Ge'ez script. The letter "saday" looks like the highlighted letter, and there is a significant Christian community in Ethiopia.
    Amharic - thirtieth symbol
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    by Alicia in Amharic
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    The thirtieth symbol of the Amharic alphabet is called S’ÄDÄY and it sounds like an S but with an explosive sound. To learn how to pronounce it, you should listen to the examples below. It has the same sound than the next symbol [​IMG].
    The animations were made according to the instructions in the book Writing and Reading Amharic and the sounds are from the site Amharic Online. Phonetic symbols according to David Appleyard.
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    https://www.omniglot.com/writing/ethiopic.htm
     
  13. shallow_ocean_spectre

    shallow_ocean_spectre fine.books' bumping squirrel



    @2manybooks - Winner, winner, chicken dinner!
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  14. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    There's an Ethiopian Christian church not far from me. Built as an 1870s high church CofE, fell into disuse. And rather than being turned into flats, our local Ethiopian community bought it and use it, which is pleasing. They wear amazing clothing.
     
  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    You know, I kept confusing this:
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    With the one on the left in this cartouche (Syrian):
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    I have probably been standing on my head too much.:wacky:
     
  16. shallow_ocean_spectre

    shallow_ocean_spectre fine.books' bumping squirrel

    @Any Jewelry - That's still nicer than standing on other people's heads.
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  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Absolutely, that would be bad manners.
     
  18. Jtw1313

    Jtw1313 Active Member

    Thanks for the replies everyone. Any ideas on who can read this
     
  19. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    Any chance it could be intriguing gibberish put on as a sales gimmick?
     
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  20. Jtw1313

    Jtw1313 Active Member

    There is a chance both ways isn’t there. I choose not to take a negative approach first
     

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