Another Davenport Plate: "Muleteer" in brown

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by bluemoon, Mar 7, 2016.

  1. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    I made another Davenport find that cost practically 1$

    I'm worried though: the boarder pattern has been made in a weird way: there's a very visible "seem" in it. Is that something common in a plate that's alledgedly from 1844?

    I also haven't found this pattern in brown online.

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  2. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    That's pretty common. The overlap, i mean.
     
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  3. Houseful

    Houseful Well-Known Member

    It's a transfer pattern and where they laid the pattern onto the ceramic
    there would be a join up line, a gap or sometimes an overlap.
     
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  4. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    Ok. I thought so too but wasn't sure since the other (slightly older) Davenport plate I found didn't have that overlap at all. I guess that transfer pattern was cut in a circle shape to begin with or something.
     
  5. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Some transfers match up better than others. Maybe the person applying it wasn't as skillful or maybe the size was a little off. Part of the beauty of transferware for the manufacturer was they no longer needed artists in this type of mass production.
     
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  6. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I love it when you get "faulty" old transferware like that. Shows it was a real person doing it.
     
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  7. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Hi, bluemoon -

    That's a lovely plate, but you might want to take that "spring loaded" metal hanger thing off ASAP. Those things are really, really bad news for china!

    -C-
     
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  8. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    Or maybe a child:(
     
  9. bluemoon

    bluemoon Member

    What would be a good alternative for hanging the plate on the wall then?
     
  10. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

  11. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Bear, thanks for posting the link.
     
  12. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    I don't have any hanging plates myself, but I know a couple of dealers who swear by DISC plate hangers. They're supposedly easily removable and safe for glazed and unglazed plates.

    Here's one:
    disc adhesive plate holders.jpg

    Here's the company's website:
    http://dischangers.com/

    I believe they're available elsewhere (maybe Amazon, JoAnn's Fabrics, and the like) as well.

    (If anyone else here has any experience with these hangers, please add your comments!)

    There are also wood frames (available in a variety of sizes and shapes) made to hold plates. They can be pricey, but you can sometimes find them "pre-owned" on eBay and other places like that. Here's just one example:

    wood plate frame.jpg

    and the back:
    plate frame back.jpg

    These are meant to hold the plates securely with no stress to the edges, and no metal touching the plate itself.

    I'm sure there are other options, as well, which perhaps another poster can suggest.

    -C-
     
  13. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    I use metal hangers HOWEVER they do not have any tight springs. If you use one "pressuring" the springs to where they are loose and not putting any weight on the rims will work. NEVER EVER use the tight springs, they cause too much pressure on the rims.
    greg
     
  14. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Hi, Greg -

    Just a quick question... Have you ever had any rim chips from those metal things?

    I almost bought a plate once that had a metal hanger thingy still attached, but when I moved the hanger over a bit, I noticed that the edge of the plate was "notched" where each of the 4 holder "prongs" was located. (I didn't buy it...)

    As I said before, I don't have any hanging plates (I have a lot of plates, but I use plate stands & keep them on shelves) but I was wondering if the damage I saw on that one I almost bought was something that occurs often(?)

    Thanks!
    -C-
     
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  15. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Don't the newer metal ones have a plastic or rubber coating or tube slipped over the metal? I'd think that would help protect the edges?
     
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  16. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Pat, I've seen those, and I figured that the protected tips would probably help... Still, they all had those high-tension spring things, and I'm not sure how the lower tension that Greg mentioned would work - i.e. would the darned thing still be "strong" enough to hold the plate?

    As I've said, I don't have any hanging plates myself - I've always been turned off by the warnings about the old-fashioned plate holders.
     
  17. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Not sure myself.

    I have four plates hanging in my kitchen using the old all-metal type that have been hanging there for years. Although I hope they're not being damaged, they're not valuable plates so I won't be heartbroken if the plate edges have been affected.
     
  18. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    Before they started putting clear tubing on the metal I used aquarium tubing. If you have a hanger with springs, just over stretch the springs so they are not 'pressing".
    Mine just sit on the hangers covered with tubing. They can slide around without causing pressure on the rims.
    greg
     
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  19. SBSVC

    SBSVC Well-Known Member

    Thanks for your answer, Greg! Does the hanger still hold the plate securely enough after you stretch out the springs? I don't use those things myself, but they're cheap and they're easy, so I'm wondering!

    Thanks again,
    -C-
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2016
  20. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    All of mine have been used for years and have not any problems with them. Once in awhile after heavy "thumping" they may turn a few degrees but it is easy to slide them back.
    greg
     
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