My "Mini-Stein"?

Hi.....I have what I call my mini-stein.....glass with pewter and ceramic (Porcelain?) inset hand painted pic of two deer in lid. the 'stein stands 3-1/2" tall, 2-1/2" wide at base, with a small chip in the bottom......NOWHERE on it can I find any kind of a marking. Something my Mom left to me.....which will be my story on many of the items I have .
Any info on age, actual use or anything else anybody has and would pass along, I would love to know!!!! To me it smells of English, but not sure as to why! Thanks!!!!

 

Well Davey, I'm glad to see a 'smiley' after my use of "smells of" 'cuz all I meant was 'strikes me as' .....and I never thought of the deer doing THAT......I just felt they were an amateur artist or poorly executed.......might just be another thing Mother collected never to be explained!!!! However, at this point, I remain a bit hopeful!

 

I think those stags...are stuck !!

 

Two stags stuck. I need to wash my eyes out to get rid of that image.

I can't say I've ever seen deer lying down. They're usually fleeing hunters or standing nobly on the crest of a hill.

 

Trying to ID country of origin from the thumb piece. I think the thumb piece on your piece would be considered shell shaped. The Pewter,Tankards and Flagons website that is no longer online because the creator/owner of the site died a few years ago, had a page on thumb pieces of different countries. I saved many of the pages from that website. He has a pic of a shell shape thumb piece saying Dutch, Flemish and France. Following is the pic from that page:


Shell. Dutch, Flemish and France.

Are there any marks anywhere on the pewter?

The following page has an article on stein lids. Scroll down the page to different types of lids with several porcelain with a little description of porcelain insert lids. I didn't see yours, but a few with hunt and animal scenes. This site might have help for you?? I have a hard time navigating thru this site at times. Maybe you might luck into something.
http://www.steveonsteins.com/lid-review-old-and-new-2
http://www.steveonsteins.com/

Other stein dedicated websites:
http://www.beerstein.net/
http://www.beerstein.net/library.asp
http://www.steincollectors.org/
http://www.steinmarks.co.uk/

--- Susan

 

Yes. Believe it or not there supposedly are gay animals.

Personally I think it's because the girls are ultra-scarce.

But if you do put it on eBay it might be worth the fifty cents for a second category.

 

Thanks so much Susan......I'm busy checking out those sites! YIKES...Steveonsteins.com!!!! SO COMPRENENSIVE!!!!! Still looking.......

 

Sorry TOG.....won't make it to eBay.....at least not in MY lifetime!!!

 

I don't blame you. I'm not a collector of them but have sold a few on eBay to make room for other items. But to me yours is special. I will be watching this thread for more info.

 

Lookee what I just found on eBay.....not identical but VERY close....not the same thumb latch, and I think someone put blue glass in the top, but the size is VERY close.....maybe gives me some needed info!!!!!
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Antique-Ger...891572?hash=item1a0e1c64f4:g:12kAAOSwaA5WlIp-

 

Thanks!!

 

Ladybranch......I sent an email to Steve at http://www.steveonsteins.com/.......Just got a reply from his wife.....he passed away last week......sad.....

 

I have put every combination of wording I can come up with for 'shell style thumblifts on antique/vintage steins', and have only seen them on German steins.....so far.......maybe not doing something right......

 

That is sad !!

 

Oh, my, how sad. Some time today I'm going to download several pages from that website. If his family isn't into steins, that website may vanish like Pat's great pewter site. Gee, I still miss Pat today. I really haven't search for similar thumb lifts steins. Possibly tomorrow will have time for more research. Please, Aqui..., do look closely at all the pewter for any kind of mark.

--- Susan

 

Aqui... check your inbox on this site. I just started a "conversation" with you.

Here is the new site for Stein Collectors International. You might post a query on their "Stein Talk" forum:

"STEINTALK" on menu bar:
http://stein-collectors.org/

--- Susan

 

The following page has the following on old glass steins that are cut, engraved, painted or pressed. Yours may be mold blown faceted glass.

"Old glass steins are especially difficult to assess - almost none were marked with a name and very few with a date. They may be cut, engraved, etched, painted or pressed. Except for the pressed ones, most were mouth blown and had handles attached in a separate process. Early glass steins lack the brilliance of modern glass, and old mold-blown steins have imperfections such as lime or sand spots, swirls, discolorations and streaks. Their designs lack sharpness, and pontil marks are visible. Glass steins which are plain, cut or etched and have a painted porcelain insert in the pewter lid can generally be considered old. But it is not difficult for an enterprising quick-buck artist to switch lids or salvage them from broken steins and mount them on recently produced glass steins. At least one German glasshouse is rumored to be making mold-blown steins using old forms."

Here the pic in this section with description beneath:

"A half-liter clear glass stein, hand-blown with applied handle, c. 1865. The body has been faceted around the base, thumbprint cut above the waistline, and fitted with a porcelain inlaid lid in pewter mounts. The position of the thumblift (over the lid) and the closed pewter hinge indicate the earlier date. The traditional pastoral scene on the inlay is typical."

About 2/3rds of the way down the page or the 3rd topic up from the bottom:
http://stein-collectors.org/library/articles/Identifying/Old or New.html

--- Susan

 

I did! Thanks so much....we're good!

 

And you just keep coming up with great info, Susan!!!!!! AGAIN, Thank You!!!! I might just go back to SteinTalk, to see what they have to say, but I believe it means joining from what I read......