Restrictions on ivory.

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by afantiques, Aug 8, 2014.

  1. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    I was wondering if the rather draconian restrictions on the US domestic possession and sale of ivory objects (discussed on the Ebay boards a while ago) had had any practical effect on the US market, or indeed any noticeable effects at all.
     
  2. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    At many venues it seems they are afraid to put it out for sale

    When I do see some, it seems buyers are afraid to buy it

    It has not affected the Chinese appetite for fresh poached ivory yet
     
  3. trip98

    trip98 Well-Known Member

    I will not buy antique ivory anymore as Calif is even stricter than the federal level. The few pieces I had in stock I sold as "bone" just to recoup my costs. In the last few months I have refused offers to buy some very nice ivory pieces. Is just to risky. i got an ebay warning from and a take down of auction of an item with ivory inlay last October .
     
  4. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    I do see it at yard sales (today) and I am seeing it at estate sales.
     
  5. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Is it time to come and buy a car full and take it to Canada, I wonder?
     
  6. 42Skeezix

    42Skeezix Moderator Moderator

    N.J. just passed ever more severe laws restricting even the sale of old ivory. Gov. Christie just signed it a day or two ago. VERY restrictive.
    I won't touch it with a ten foot pole right now. (though if I hit those sales Marko found I might buy it for a song if possible.) It's quickly going missing from the antiques venues here about.

    BTW Marko. Looks like Egg Harbor is rain dating last weeks community sale to this week. At least that's what Craig's list seems to indicate. Good Luck if you're heading that way.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2014
  7. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi AF,
    You try to cross the border with a car full of ivory and I can tell you you will be sitting in a federal prison. Years ago I went "antiquing" in Canada. Bought a car full of odd stuff like odd saucers, a few vases, picture frames etc. All wrapped up from yard sales. The officer went through a few bags and decided that I was a hoarder and probably had rats in the car. He distainfully waved me through. He did not find the furs I was smuggling in. Only kidding but I guess I could have smuggled something in.
    greg
     
  8. Messilane

    Messilane Well-Known Member

  9. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    I don't think that we can sell it internationally from Canada, either. And yeah, you'd get stopped either coming or going at the border if you had a trunk full of ivory...
     
  10. 'Nuff_Said

    'Nuff_Said Well-Known Member

    As long as folks keep dumping grandma & grandpa's nicely carved antique Chinese ivory items for pennies on the dollar similar to this recent acquisition...


    IVORY VASE 001-001.JPG


    ...we'll keep buying! So once the restrictions are amend, we're cashing-out! There's a whole bin full of similar examples. Big, small, short and tall. Chinese & Japanese.
     
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  11. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    I am picking up ivory when I see it. Case in point a bangle I picked up at a venue they would not supervise, and at a different venue, goldwashed 800 sterling earrings. :) Hard to supervise those yard sales. Someone looks like they pried round stones out of the bracelet, I wonder if jade or coral was set in it, I doubt pearls. Will post pics later.

    Will pick up one more piece tomorrow if it is still there. I don't think the restrictions will last forever. I don't want to see any elephants killed for ivory; this is older stuff.

    The vase is stunning! I will also cash out and take a trip to Europe. :)
     
  12. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    Skeeziks, I called the lady in charge of the community yard sales in EHC. She said the town would not reschedule anything because the 4-H fair is going on this weekend. The local paper is listing a few, some people just stuck some signs up with no advertising for tomorrow. I am busy with this killer estate sale not far from EHC. Been there two days in a row, they said they didn't have anymore jewelry, they found another box in the attic!!!! I posted a pic of a 14k ruby pendant I found there they told me was GF, and will post a pick of the pearls they said were not real on the Finds Thread. I will private message you if you want to go. They keep finding stuff in the attic, and the ladies running it are so tired (took them 5 weeks just to sort and organize what was there the first day) they are just dumping stuff out in bins and tables.
     
  13. Lighter Karen

    Lighter Karen New Member

    Ohhhhhh I LOVE those kind of sales! Wish I was close by !
     
  14. 'Nuff_Said

    'Nuff_Said Well-Known Member

    :)

    Thanks, Marko!
     
  15. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    Terry, I tested the ruby pendant and bale with 14k acid putting it right on the piece near the top where the bale meets the finding on the pendant. No reaction or damage to the pendant; the bale, however, started smoking, got the acid off and cleaned it up with silver polish. I put another drop of 14k acid on the back of the pendant, no reaction, no damage. I then tested the bale by putting 10k acid on it directly, it was fine, no reaction. No pitting, no discoloration, both pieces look great. Here are the pearls that the ladies said were not real, set in sterling, five strand good quality freshwater pearls, $5 find the first day, marked MKD:

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  16. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

    Yard sale and estate sale stuff. Oval elephant ivory earrings set in goldwashed 800 silver, they have another hallmark, can't read it. WRE GF bracelet on bottom, estate sale.
     
  17. Marko

    Marko Well-Known Member

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    It might help if I actually posted a picture. Amber jewelry set in sterling.
     
  18. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    Terry, I tested the ruby pendant and bale with 14k acid putting it right on the piece near the top where the bale meets the finding on the pendant

    You need to be ruthless and take a file to the body of the pendant somewhere, rolled gold is thick enough to test as fine gold unless you get through the surface or hit a patch where there is wear through.
    I'd expect that style of piece to be rolled gold, and with no marks I'd be ruthless about proving it is not.
     
  19. terry5732

    terry5732 Well-Known Member

    A file is overly brutal. A dental pick makes a deep enough but less damaging gouge.
     
  20. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    I do use a watchmaker's file, I suppose not everyone has one handy so may be thinking of something like this bastard

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    file.
     
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