Antique gold pin from estate sale - ruby or garnet?

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  1. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Here is the little 10K gold pin I got at the estate sale again. Evelynb suggested the stone could be a garnet. How can I tell. I have included pictures of the back for a better estimate of age.

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    There is an F inside a diamond above the 10K. Does anyone know who this is?
     
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  2. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    Just a thought. At only 10 kt, I think a garnet would have been an appropriately modestly-priced stone, as opposed to rubies or such. If you can see jewel-imperfections in it, then it's not glass, right?
     
  3. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Idk - :wacky: I only said it was a ruby in the first place because people selling similar ones on ebay are saying rubies. :D
     
  4. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh... and I'm sure there re grades if rubies, top-dollar to inexpensive.
    Back to the drawing board!
    Calling all you jewel experts! :peeking:
     
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  5. quirkygirl

    quirkygirl likes pretty old things

    Garnets (most garnets) are magnetic and will be attracted to a rare earth or neodymium magnet ... may be hard to feel the pull with a small stone, though.
     
  6. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Colored stones should be photographed against a white/light colored background.On my screen the stone looks like a dark colored citrine.
     
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  7. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    Thanks, Holly! Good to know. I hope you enjoy this Forum. Hola, and welcome!
     
  8. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Will do Holly Blue!

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  9. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Is the F in diamond a block letter (F) or script type, Book?
     
  10. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Usually, rubies have a slight bluish cast, while garnets tend to be varying shades of red -- dark to lighter -- with no blue.

    That said, I vote for ruby. On my monitor this pin has a definitely bluish stone.
     
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  11. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    Bakersga - it's a block F and the diamond is longer in height than width.
     
  12. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    Whatever the stone, it's a pretty pin. :)
     
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  13. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    A couple possibilities for maker from the 1922 Jewelry Marks list - E. S Feinstein of Maiden Lane, NYC and T. G. Frothingham of N. Attleboro. The link goes to the page with Feinstein. Once there, you can click the Next Page in the lower right corner to go to the age with Frothingham.

    http://chicagosilver.com/jmarks5.htm
     
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  14. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Do you have a loupe?
    Use it to check the top of the stone. Sometimes in these older less expensive pieces they used doublets.
    A doublet is an inexpensive material capped with a round sliver of a more expensive stone such as a ruby or sapphire.

    If it is a doublet, there will be a ridge sitting on top of the gemstone. If you don't see a cap check the stone for inclusions, showing a less expensive stone. If you see air bubbles, it is glass.
     
  15. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    No doublet...
    but there is dirt around the setting. Should I attempt to clean it?
     
  16. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I would have said garnet right off the bat; it's the wrong color for a ruby, but dead on for some garnets. Rubies are pinker; I'd have said almandine garnet, but you've got it in hand. I'd use a dry toothbrush to clean out some of the gunk. As for age. 1910-1915 is ground zero for those backward acting clasps.
     
  17. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    The stone is set in there well. No glue to worry about.
    I'd put it in some sudsy water with a touch of ammonia - swish it around. If really dirty, an old toothbrush gently rubbed in the dirty areas. Rinse and it will sparkle.

    Adding:
    This will not hurt gemstones, but not recommended for pearls, opals or any soft stones.
     
  18. Pat P

    Pat P Well-Known Member

    How is rubbing alcohol for cleaning metal and stones?
     
  19. Bookahtoo

    Bookahtoo Moderator Moderator

    It's definitely T.G. Frothingham Bakersgma. Thanks.
    Evelyb - it is pinkish - I can't get a good picture of it.
    Clutteredcloset - I cant wait to get at it with soapy water and a toothbrush!
     
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  20. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    Jewelry brainiacs at work!
     
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