Identification cufflinks and casket

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  1. YellowDestroyer

    YellowDestroyer New Member

    Good day
    I need a help to identificate cufflinks and casket. Would be great if someone understands marks and stamps
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  2. YellowDestroyer

    YellowDestroyer New Member

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  4. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    Hola, and welcome to the Forums!
    Good luck with these items!
     
  5. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    The cufflinks aopear to have an arabic mark, 21 probably means 21 carat. The second item has a 14 carat mark. No idea on the box. The gold is relatively modern.
     
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  6. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    The silver box has one of those Dutch/Flemish tavern scenes that was a popular genre in Northern Europe. The mark of a T in a circle may be German city mark? The German cities of Breslau used a plain T in a circle from 1849-1869 as well as the city of Torgau in the 17th century. If this box is early German it should have a Loth stamp. After 1886 German silver had to have a maker's mark, finesse in figures and the German mark of moon and crown if the silver fineness was .800 or more. Do look the box over carefully for other stamps/markings. Sometimes marks can be mixed in with the design. Trentschin, Austria-Hungary used this same type of T in circle in the 17th and 18th century, but with a dot before and after the T. Austria-Huntary also sed loth markings.

    I'm not sure what the other mark is. It doesn't appear to be a loth mark. It may have letters on it like D C with something between them?

    Here are some German markings before and after 1886:
    http://www.925-1000.com/Fgerman_marks.html

    Here are some Austrian hallmarks marks, the earliest ones are not online yet:
    http://www.925-1000.com/Faustria_menu.html

    --- Susan
     
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  7. GaleriaGila

    GaleriaGila Hola, y'all!

    Just to clarify... a "casket" is a term for a box to hold jewelry? I only knew that OTHER meaning, and was fighting off the curiosity to ask where it came from, etc!
     
  8. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    The last pic of the gold #2 cuff link appears to be the Russian Kokoshnik gold finesse mark for 583. The gold marks were "shovel shaped" and silver marks ovals. Yours appears to have a woman's head in relief on the wide end of the shovel and the finesse amount on the narrow part. The following gold query on the 925-1000 forum has a picture of the gold shovel shaped mark and the silver oval Mark in the 5th posting by Qtr.2s. The one pictured is the mark used during the Soviet era. Yours with the the woman's head dates to the Imperial era.
    http://www.925-1000.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26366

    The following Russia silver marks page has info on what woman's head was used when. If yours is in relief then it probably dates from c1908 to 1920s. Scroll down the page to the bottom section "1908 ~ 1926 • The Second Kokoshnik Mark." These are silver kokoshnik marks. The gold ones would have the same heads but different shape cartouches and difference finesse numbers. To the left of the woman's head should a letter that would identify the region it was assayed.
    http://www.925-1000.com/Frussia_kokoshnik_01.html

    --- Susan

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  9. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    Forgot to add that Russian 583 gold finesse equals 14kt. 583 is sometimes denoted with the 2 digit number 56.

    "In Russia, two-digit numbers refer to zolotniks, which convert to thousandths, e.g., 56 = 583 (14k), 84 = 875 silver (or 21k gold), . Between 1896 and 1908, the national mark was the left profile of a woman’s head wearing a diadem (“kokoshnik”). From 1908 to 1917, a right-facing profile was used. After the Russian Revolution, the mark was a right-facing worker’s profile with a hammer, and the fineness in thousandths."

    At the moment don't know what the other marks represent.

    Edit: Just realized af already ID this cuff link as 14k!

    --- Susan
     
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  10. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    Af was right on the first cuff link having Arabic markings. The 1st pic with a mark is upside down. As af said 21k, I think this is the mark denoting 21 Kt.

    Arabic21-e.jpg

    Nowwww as to what Arabic country, I'm not sure. Egypt, Iraq and others used these marks. I don't see or can't make out the national marks used by the countries such as a cat or lotus flower marks by Egypt or Iraq's map of Iraq mark, etc. The following set of 2 marks rotated, may be another 21K mark on the left and a date letter code mark on the right.

    ArabicDate-e.jpg

    That date letter, on the right, looks similar to Arabic letter codes for the 1960s. the following link to to Arabic letter date codes used by Egypt:

    Click the charts to enlarge:
    http://www.h.cx/?key=&country=Egypt
    http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/MTQxMFgxMjIy/z/L8QAAOSwpDdU5M70/$_3.JPG?set_id=2
    https://www.flickr.com/photos/44079982@N08/4190577772/

    Nowwww, just because I have linked to Egypt date letters does not mean this cuff link is Egyptian. Several Arabic countries use the same date letters.

    Basic Iraq silver marks on the right that includes silver finesse, national mark and date code mark:
    http://www.925-1000.com/foreign_marks2.html

    Basic Egypt silver marks in the right column that include silver finesse, national marks of cat and lotus flower and a date code mark:
    http://www.925-1000.com/foreign_marks.html

    --- Susan
     
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  11. YellowDestroyer

    YellowDestroyer New Member

    Thanx a lot to all, to Susan especially.
     
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  12. KingofThings

    KingofThings 'Illiteracy is a terrible thing to waist' - MHH

    Welcome!
     
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