Small silver tray, help with coat of arms

hello guys
i have this small (14x6 cm) tray with an engraved coat of arms on it. and i was wondering if anyone could help me with a possible or plausible ID on the coat of arms the tray is hallmarked only with a T but i have tested it positive as silver~

 

We had a really intense thread on this subject a while back, with lots of links to decoding coats of arms. I'm looking for the link, but maybe somebody else has it handy. The thread was about a silver ring found in Ireland, I believe...

Edit - https://www.antiquers.com/threads/need-help-identifying-unknown-silver-ring.7094/
Found it!

 

That's funny, I was thinking of that thread myself.

 

www.925-1000 has world wide silver marks. Of course, if this isn't real silver, it's probably not on there.

 

well i'll have a look through there and see if i can find a helpful link thanks~

 

it wasnt the mark i was concerned about i have tested the tray and it is silver

 

What country did it come from? I noticed you say the weight in centimeters.

 

Have you researched that initial yet ? Id start with English silversmiths and go from there . I cant decide if that's a " t" or " j " ?

 

The workmanship looks home made. It looks as if someone had a silver tray and did their own artwork in the center. The design around the edge looks more professional.

If we knew what country, it would be easier to look for a coat of arms.

Answered my own question. I see in another post you are from Denmark. So, you should be looking at the Danish coats of arms, unless you are living in another country. We really can't help if we don't know because each country has their own coats of arms.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_heraldry
This page has some links to other sites that you can peruse.

 

I was looking around earlier today for a similar T in a circle continental silver mark. I found a few German city/towns and a town in Austria-Hungary that used a T in a circle type of mark in the 1800s. Nowwww, it would not surprise me if this tray was old, but the lack of a loth mark surprises me if it is German or A-H.

Read my response in the following thread:
https://www.antiquers.com/threads/identification-cufflinks-and-casket.7583/#post-109262

--- Susan

 

The workmanship looks home made. It looks as if someone had a silver tray and did their own artwork in the center. The design around the edge looks more professional

I see no inconsistency in the engraving. The border pattern is easier to do than the heraldic design, that's all. I'd not be surprised to find that it was mid 18th C. Not British, certainly.

The shape of the top of the shield may be a heraldic clue.

 

The heraldry expert at a major gov't institution I frequent recommends translating the arms into heraldese then simply googling that; he says that works more often than not.

 

Easy for him to say ! ....

 

Good suggestion, but like another said, not an easy task. I've tried googling such things or combinations of the following:
Crest: arm holding dagger
Shield/escutcheon elements: flower or clover, dagger, crescent.

There are 100s of crests with an arm holding/with dagger. This usually means some sort of leadership. The following are just some for Great Britain:
https://books.google.com/books?id=3...Q6AEIRDAK#v=onepage&q=arm with dagger&f=false

Not sure what the flower or clover is in the top 2 quadrants. Did spot somewhere that a crescent among other things is used usually by a 2nd son.

The shape of this shield aludes me. I haven't found one exactly like this. The closest I've found was called Anglais - English Tudor arch. This one doesn't look the same, but then again those might be Tudor roses in the top quadrants??? Following is a link to one called English Tudor:
#8 in the pic to the right. Click the pic for enlarged pic. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escutcheon_(heraldry)#Varying_shapes

--- Susan

 

Those top quadrants have a fleur-de-lis hint for me, and if a fleur-de-lit is a stylized lily or iris, maybe that's a possibility.

 

wow okay alot of interesting questions and ideas all at once
to answer a bit of what i know:
yes im danish, but i got this in a mixed job lot together with everything from british pocketwatches to japanese imary plates, so could be ANY country as far as im concerned. the letter stamped in the back looks definately like a T but with a thingy like a J would have, although the thingy (my english fails me right now, what is that curl called?) is not so big.
aaand, are we saying somewhere between 18th century to 19th ? a bit broad but better than nothing
and heraldic, i got no clue... its not the only coat of arms i own which i have no clue about, i have a lead seal and a 1700's snuffbox with coat of arms too (actually came from the same job lot, i sense a theme~)

 

The things in the sinister and dexter chief corners (thats heraldic speak for top right and left) could be cloves, to refer to the spice trade.

Anything any good in the pocket watches?

 

hmm interesting
and yeah, there was quite the odd designed 1700's fusee watch, but i sold it off pretty fast that one watch payed the entire lot and more so im quite happy~

 

I used to advise people trying to decode coats-of-arms to use the "ask a librarian" link on the US Library of Congress' Local History and Genealogy webpage, but I don't know that anyone has done it, so I stopped wasting my time doing that.