Featured CAMEOS: Show & Tell or Ask & Answer

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Bronwen, Dec 20, 2017.

  1. Migg

    Migg Member

    Those are gorgeous! This one is cold to the touch, like shell, so I just assumed. There are a few celluloid (I think) cameos which I didn't photograph and they feel room temperature.

    I have a lot to learn.
     
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  2. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi,
    Looks like a slice of malachite. One of my favorite stones.
    greg
     
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  3. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

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  4. BMRT

    BMRT Jewelry cherry-picker, lover of silver

    I thought as much when it arrived. I’m starting to catch on how omission is a way many people get around unloading pieces that have problematic qualities like this one.

    I loved the malachite. It wasn’t until I compared it to the ivory one that my lightbulb came on but I figured it was worth asking y’alls opinion.
     
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  5. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    It's one of those things. Companies with the I-word in stock either have to sit on it, donate it, or sell it without attribution and hope no one rats them out.
     
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  6. BMRT

    BMRT Jewelry cherry-picker, lover of silver

    Surely. Ironic how I buy one assuming it’s ivory and end up with another in close proximity.

    Ah well. I’ll enjoy her just the same and hope my kids figure out what to do with it when I’m gone. A shame as I had hoped to be incorrect and the carving be bone. The malachite is gorgeous and the marcasite sets off very nicely against it.
     
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  7. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I have a friend who likes ivory and takes it out of my hair at cost. I do have one or two pieces I'm keeping that I'm not going to worry about.
     
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  8. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I've stayed out of this because I really can't tell what I'm looking at. Malachite & ivory? Malachite glass & shell? This box is glass:

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    It's an unusual piece. I'm leaning to real malachite & shell. The figure is compact enough that it would have been possible to chip away all the surrounding brown background, no tousled tresses to deal with. Would like to see it clean & also a view taken from the edge. Careful about cleaning, it could come apart.
     
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  9. BMRT

    BMRT Jewelry cherry-picker, lover of silver

    @Bronwen I’ve given her a quick bath and some of the filth came off but not all. I’m worried about weakness in whatever adhesive was used to adhere the carved piece to the back so I didn’t risk prolonged contact with water and soap.

    E2D089DE-97D1-4B3B-9189-29BC81F5A7A7.jpeg B0D9273E-8C32-4339-8F49-D614F3BE1669.jpeg 79214E4F-071E-4AA6-82B0-6E4C729A8340.jpeg 75BE6028-475F-48A4-9A40-F6F293443F33.jpeg 266AED6A-A687-4A95-B2B6-9F8D8992B4E4.jpeg 45983B86-6006-46F0-9088-D6C0C88F9182.jpeg D1327512-C01D-43FA-B1E9-BD2BAA9E874B.jpeg I’m surprised by how hard the features are to capture not matter what lighting I’m in.
     
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  10. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    A bit overexposed, but I think the next to last pic shows Shreger lines.
     
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  11. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    It does. She is ivory. I'm getting an Asian feel off her but can't explain why. Just the carving, not the whole thing.
     
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  12. BMRT

    BMRT Jewelry cherry-picker, lover of silver

    I’m messing with my iPhone settings... don’t know why all my pictures are overexposed. :confused:
     
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  13. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    I think it's hard for cameras to deal with the dark background (malachite) and the light foreground (Ivory).
     
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  14. BMRT

    BMRT Jewelry cherry-picker, lover of silver

    Another find today. I think this is glass, it certainly feels like it. Frame looks like brass maybe? I polished it up a bit. 7F75892F-77B7-4C51-97E3-7460BA1E97B2.jpeg C69F6559-3E7C-43FC-825D-C4F90B15C8FA.jpeg This one also has no marks anywhere of any kind. AD57B852-7414-4D14-9201-A57507C10C26.jpeg CF0519C9-360C-4DC4-AC76-970254B77941.jpeg The gentleman who sold her to me couldn’t tell me a single thing. His daughter collected them and was getting rid of some of them for whatever reason.
     
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  15. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Yes, glass, & probably gilt brass. You can usually smell brass.
     
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  16. Arlene_V

    Arlene_V Active Member

    I bought this cameo quite a long time ago online.
    It was advertised as a lava cameo set in 14k.

    My question is if later "lava" cameos like this one (which I think is from the first quarter of the 20th century ?) are made from a composite material and formed in a mould rather than actually being carved?

    For some reason the picture of the back is showing first.

    Argh, sorry I can't seem to fix this.

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  17. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The basic answer is yes, this has been & continues to be done. It is a topic I wish I knew more about, i.e., when were cameos of this type first on the market?; how to know for sure a cameo is molded vs. carved? It is really clear with some hand carved pieces; the degree of undercutting could not be achieved with a mold. And some cameos are so flat, with such rounded lines, you have to think a mold was involved. And then there are pieces like your lovely bacchante, which are somewhere on the line between. My best thought is molded with hand touches added after, primarily with a drill. Scognamiglio makes molded 'lava stone' cameos, which I suspect are pulverized volcanic ash mixed with resin.

    For some pix of other lava pieces:

    https://www.cameotimes.com/index.php/reference/materials-guide?start=3
     
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  18. Arlene_V

    Arlene_V Active Member

    Thanks Bronwen.
     
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  19. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

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    Which parts of this description are probably correct & which not:

    A antique Brooch all a rose gold TONE probably Pinchbeck the front as a 3d effect of a lady made of a hard stone the back is pressed flowers the brooch is able to swivel all the way around and fastens with a c-clasp safety chain attached
     
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  20. Arlene_V

    Arlene_V Active Member

    Fun! I'll take a stab over my first cuppa this morning.

    I'm not seeing hardstone.
    Not pinchbeck. That term is so overused it drives me crazy. Rolled gold perhaps?
    Those pressed flowers look strange, not sure what is going on there?
    Can't see the clasp so not sure if it is in fact a c clasp.
     
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