Featured Civil War Tin Type help ID name

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  1. Sdcookie2

    Sdcookie2 Well-Known Member

    Any help appreciated.
    Quincy Ollinors?
    I tried to Google the name but not coming up with anything. PXL_20241208_172949101_copy_907x1612.jpg PXL_20241208_173154544_copy_907x1612.jpg PXL_20241208_173027315_copy_907x1612.jpg PXL_20241208_173034910_copy_907x1612.jpg PXL_20241208_173046607_copy_907x1612.jpg PXL_20241208_173329365_copy_1612x907.jpg
     
  2. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    That's "Quincy Illinois", his name is looks to be "Henry L. Cleaveland".
     
  3. Sdcookie2

    Sdcookie2 Well-Known Member

    OMG I definitely am not awake yet. Lol Duh moment. Thank you
     
  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    that's a very nice example !!!
     
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  5. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

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  6. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    1860 census for Quincy, IL. Surname given as "Cleveland." Found on familysearch.org which is free to join.

    Debora


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  7. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The page says he was a bookkeeper.
     
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  8. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    And doing well as there was a domestic servant in the household.

    Debora
     
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  9. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    At the time, that wasn't unusual. If you were doing OK there was often a maid in the house to help with the heavy work. It was too much for one person.
     
  10. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Agree. Often times it was a country girl who lived in and did household work in order to attend a county seat high school.

    Debora
     
  11. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The country schools only went to eighth grade. If a woman wanted more she had to find a way to move to a bigger area for four years. Being a maid was one way to do it.

    My grandmother moved to New York City when she was 14 (eek!) probably just that way, except that instead of going to high school she went to work full time. As a maid. This was in 1910/1911 and farm kids who stayed on the farm didn't get high school diplomas. The boys often quit in sixth or seventh grade because their labor was needed.
     
  12. Roaring20s

    Roaring20s Well-Known Member

    Here's a possible ...
    https://ilgenweb.whalen-family.org/civilwar/acm/cav004-a.html
    CLEVELAND, Henry L QM Serg. Chicago Sep 26, 1861 Disch, Oct 2, 1862 as private; disability

    Who can tell us something about the uniform?

    That middle initial could be an R or Q?

    No luck with Lydia (Darling) Cleaveland.
     
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  13. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Married in 1850. Both residents of Boston, MA. His occupation is given as "Agent." And surname spelled on record "Cleaveland."

    Debora
     
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  14. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    My mother went as far as 8th grade in a one room schoolhouse in Manchester, NH. She was born in 1909. In about 1923 she was sent to Dracut, MA to become a maid in a boarding house. Not at all unusual then.
     
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  15. pearlsnblume

    pearlsnblume Well-Known Member

    This is all so interesting.
     
  16. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    QM - Quartermaster Sergeant

    During the US Civil War, -

    "Each regiment or battalion was assigned a quartermaster sergeant as part of the staff, appointed by the commander from among the regiment's sergeants. Their task was to assist the quartermaster of the regiment with ordering, storing and distributing various equipage (clothing, tents, etc.) and maintaining appropriate records. Other tasks may have included overseeing the regimental train or work parties assigned to the regiment. Particularly with cavalry and artillery regiments, acquiring and distributing forage was an important function of the quartermaster sergeant."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartermaster_sergeant

    A job well suited to a bookkeeper.
     
  17. Bev aka thelmasstuff

    Bev aka thelmasstuff Colored pencil artist extraordinaire ;)

    That's a really nice piece with great provenance.
     
  18. 2manybooks

    2manybooks Well-Known Member

    The insignia (2 chevrons) in the photo is for a corporal. If it is the same man who became a quartermaster sergeant, he may have briefly held the rank of corporal before being promoted to quartermaster. But it also seems the rank badge for a quartermaster was not formalized during this period -
    "The company quartermaster sergeant wore three chevrons with a single straight tie in worsted. Although worn by volunteer cavalry from 1862, this rank badge was not incorporated into United States military regulations until 1866."
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quart...n 1902 the rank was,colour during World War I.

    In the History of the 4th Illinois Cavalry Regiment, written by Phineas Orlando Avery (of Company I, 4th IL) and published in 1903, Henry L. Cleveland is listed as the Company Quartermaster Sergeant for Company A. (This is also indicated in the link that Roaring provided.)

    From Avery's History -
    "On the 26th day of September. 1861, the regiment was
    mustered into the United States Military service and on
    November 4th, took its line of march for Springfield, where
    it received its arms, which were not removed from their
    cases, however, until the command arrived at Cairo.

    The regiment left Ottawa with 1050 enlisted men and
    46 officers. Three years later, when we returned to Spring-
    field to be mustered out, we had 340 men, exclusive of 116
    that re-enlisted and a few that received commissions in
    colored regiments."
    https://archive.org/stream/historyoffourthi00aver/historyoffourthi00aver_djvu.txt

    Henry L. Cleveland was discharged October 2, 1862 due to disability, so he only served about a year before being seriously injured, one of many in a very high casualty rate for the Regiment. I wonder if his injury was ultimately the cause of his death 2 years later (as indicated on the photo).

    Two other Clevelands are included in the roster for the 4th IL Cavalry Regiment as privates, George Cleveland (Company I, discharged Aug. 5, 1862) and John Cleveland (Company I, mustered out Nov. 3, 1864).

    I can't tell if they were related to Henry, but the notations on the photograph say Henry was "father of Henry and George". It is unclear how old any of these men were at the time but, if related, it seems more likely that George and John might be brothers to Henry, and the child George named after his uncle.

    I could not find either George Cleveland or John Cleveland listed in the rosters reproduced in the illinoisgenweb.org site, only in Avery's History of the Regiment.
    https://illinoisgenweb.org/civilwar/reg_html/cav_004.html

    John Cleveland is mentioned in one anecdote included by Avery -
    "May 4th — The army moved again and we camped that
    night near the state line. We had just got our tents
    pitched when the effective mounted force of Company I
    was ordered out on picket, without their suppers. We
    expected to be relieved soon but we were not relieved
    until ten o'clock the next morning. We were stationed
    along a road on the state line, that, we were told, some
    rebel troops would probably pass along- that nig-ht. We
    sat on our horses all nig-ht in a drizzling- rain, two in a
    place, a few rods apart and ordered to be very vigilant.
    My comrade, John Cleveland, leaned over on his horse and
    slept until morning, I did not sleep a minute. We did not
    see or hear anyone, not even the "grand rounds.""
    https://archive.org/stream/historyoffourthi00aver/historyoffourthi00aver_djvu.txt
     
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