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Discussion in 'Tribal Art' started by Cory C Jacobs, Nov 22, 2024.

  1. Cory C Jacobs

    Cory C Jacobs New Member

    Are they real? Were they really made by Native Americans? Can they be dated? My gparents got them on one of their trips to Alaska from the 50s to the early 70s I believe. They are 2-1/4 inches high and weigh around 7 grams each. The one with missing wings has a different base. None are marked. Thank you for looking.
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  2. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Yup...classic Alaskan souvenir totems , made from bone or ivory.
    You dating is good , but these were made earlier , and later...
    @all_fakes
    @2manybooks
     
  3. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    They were also made in and for Canada....and could be found up and down the Pacific Northwest.
     
  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    they were and are also made of wood , metal, and plastic...
     
  5. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

  6. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    Yep. Alaska souvenirs, likely bone or ivory, but possibly plastic; and 1950-1970 would be reasonable - hard to say, because similar have been sold for many years. Could be native-made, but I think non-native would be more likely. I suspect some were imported from China or Taiwan even that early.
     
  7. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I remember when I was a tyke in elementary school. a classroom had a little wooden totem pole sitting in a window, but if you looked in at it from the schoolyard, it had "Made in Japan" stamped on the back.
     
  8. Cory C Jacobs

    Cory C Jacobs New Member

    Thank you for your help and assurances on these totem poles. I’m almost positive they are carved from bone, they have pits all over and no Schreger lines. You guys are truly appreciated.
     
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  9. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    we had the bone, ivory...& Chinese carvers here already..... I've not come across what would be imports..??
     
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  10. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    In bone, I'd think quite unlikely to be imports at that time. But I think I've seen plastic "totem" trinkets more recently. But one could certainly make a nice collection of older bone totems from Alaska and Canada - and OP Cory has a start on such a collection already!
     
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  11. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    ^& he seemed like a nice guy....at least here...:meh:
     
  12. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    But not HERE. :rolleyes:

    Looks like Cory is banned now.
     
  13. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I can't remember the last time someone dissed Kronos..??
    Me , on the other hand .....:wideyed::playful::playful:
     
  14. Gus Tuason

    Gus Tuason Well-Known Member

    I don't know if an item I read years ago is true or false but the author claimed the the large totems along the coast were not made until the Russian fur traders came. Iron axes were one of the trade items. Up to that time totems were small.















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  15. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    The first recorded mention of a pole, which was a house pole, was on Langara Island in the Haida village of Dadans, c.1790, by John Bartlett, who wrote:

    We went ashore where one of their winter houses stood. The entrance was cut out of a large tree and carved all the way up and down. The door was made like a man's head and the passage the house was between his teeth and was built before they knew the use of iron.

    European explorers were said to have been astonished that “savages” were capable of architectural creations that rivalled those of celebrated artists in their home countries. The cedar poles and posts on Haida Gwaii that so impressed these explorers were carved with tools made from stone, shells, or beaver teeth. It wasn’t until trading relationships were established along the Pacific coast that iron and steel tools were introduced. The new tools enabled carvers to create more intricate and complex features and the creation of totem poles and posts flourished amongst West Coast communities.
     
  16. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    I grab these anytime I find them cheap. They are fun little pieces. They also made them as letter openers, handles of pens/pencils, and other little trinkets. I usually find them at least partially broken. I just found the most detailed one to date recently. Broken again unfortunately but worth salvaging. E23659B3-10B5-40C6-9DA5-FB980590B3DA.jpeg AB9703A3-B985-45CA-A081-0FFEF74DF0E1.jpeg
     
  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    That is the nicest one I've seen so far. I would have bought it too.
     
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  18. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Thanks. I might have to stick it in a little putty ball and give it a base. Otherwise it’ll just end up in a box. It came in a bag of button hooks, crochet hooks, and similar bits for $10ish at the end of a sale.
     
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  19. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Alaskan style fer sure[​IMG]
     
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    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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