Featured Calling all Komokwas !

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by johnnycb09, Nov 25, 2024 at 9:34 PM.

  1. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Or anyone else who knows Native American pottery. Found these two recently and yes I tried to identify them with zero luck. The black one I know is Navajo,but I dont know who. The other I *think* is Acoma,but again I dont know who. The black vase is 3 1/2 high ,the brown on is 5 1/3 . Any input is always appreciated.
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  2. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The second one says it's Navajo - it says Dineh, the name they use for themselves. It's souvenir pottery. The blackware is a wedding jug shape, but that's as far as I get.
     
  3. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    I swore it said Pinesh ! Thank you !
     
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  4. Potteryplease

    Potteryplease Well-Known Member

    You can see, on the bottom of the second one, a seam-line, which indicates that this was a manufactured pot rather than a handmade one.

    Navajo / Dine people make many kinds of art, but relatively little hand-made pottery. That which they do make is traditionally a kind of brown pottery and often has a shiny finish as a result of being treated with pitch from trees.
     
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  5. Taupou

    Taupou Well-Known Member

    The "blackware" one is not traditional blackware, which is made by several pueblo tribes, but it is black pottery, just not traditional blackware.

    The traditional blackware made by the pueblo tribes, like Santa Clara and San Ildefonso, acquire their black color through the way they are fired. Because oxygen is prevented from reaching the pot, a chemical reaction takes place, and what would turn out red under a regular firing, turns black. No glaze is used by the pueblo potters, but a shiny finish is a result of the part of the pot that is "burnished" (polished with a smooth stone.)

    The Navajo pot, on the other hand, is made from a manufactured clay that fires black to begin with. The shiny areas which make up the design, are a result of glazing with a clear glaze. The matte area is the unglazed part.

    It's a lot faster, easier to get a pot that "looks like" blackware made by the pueblo potters, and requires a kiln, rather than the outdoor fire used traditionally. It's an adaption made by the Navajo, who haven't traditionally made blackware, but can get a similar look, with less risk, (and work). Which explains the price difference difference between traditional blackware, and pottery made for the souvenir tourist trade that the Navajo make.
     
  6. johnnycb09

    johnnycb09 Well-Known Member

    Fascinating info. Thank you all so much. Always learning on here. What I know about Native American anything wouldnt fill the head of a pin.
     
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  7. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Ahhhh, just the right amount of Komokwas to sleuth out the proper info and get to the bottom of the matter !!
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    Komo sez........ well done gang !!;)..:happy::happy:

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