Antique Jewish marriage license? A Sigfredo Pastor painting

Discussion in 'Art' started by journeymagazine, Oct 22, 2024.

  1. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    I found this at a thrift store today. A image search called this a ketabbuh? which i think is a marriage license - any idea to tell how old it is?
    What are the figures on the back? Monetary wedding gifts?

    I also wsnted to show you a Sigfredo Pastor painting- I also found today. 1 of his works was even sold by Christie's!.
    Has anyone heard of him?
    Thoughts on the painting?

    Thank you!

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  2. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    A ketubah is a traditional Jewish marriage contract, which stipulates each partner's rights & responsibilities. Looks like there might have been a reckoning of property brought to the union on the back.
     
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  3. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Apparently, Sigfredo Pastor was an Argentine painter. 1912-1994. He specialized in scenes of the tango. Amurado means "Walled." It's also the name of a tango.

    Debora
     
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  4. Boland

    Boland Well-Known Member

  5. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    Thank you all!
    PS - any idea how old the ketubah is?
     
  6. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    I thought it meant bored, or alone?
    It reminded me if a poster or scene from the movie Midnight Cowboy with the guy leaning against the wall!
     
  7. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Aburrido = bored. He used a sustaining wall in his paintings at least one other time. 'Tango en el obelisco'

    Debora

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  8. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    Thanks Debora- do you like it?
     
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  9. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Not to my personal taste but... It's certainly
    eye- catching, isn't it?

    Debora
     
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  10. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    If you don't a close up of his face he looks like a... a 50's hustler, or maybe gangster?
    It's interesting & different, so you know i liked it! :)
     
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  11. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Well, tango had a "scurrilous birth" (to quote the internet) in Buenos Aires' underworld.

    Debora
     
  12. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Lots of things did. A pile of old idiom and "street style" came originally from gangsters and hustlers in all different countries.

    The ketubah now, that was a traditional marriage contract. The one in the frame looks over 100 years old and doesn't look to have been done by a proper Scribe. Local Rabbi with neat handwriting maybe, doing double duty? Eastern Europe somewhere would be my guess. There used to be some scribes down in Williamsburg who would have the expertise to know for sure how old it is and where it came from. Now you might have to find a Jewish museum somewhere. I'm not sure if it's in Yiddish or religious Hebrew. Possibly one on the front and the other on the back.
     
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  13. NanaB

    NanaB Well-Known Member

    @evelyb30 my son is well versed in the Hebrew language & I showed this to him. He said from what it reads is a bit, and definitely Eastern European. I also sent him the back & I am waiting for his response. I am so curious about this piece.
     
  14. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    I was guessing Pale of Settlement somewhere, but beyond that I wouldn't even try to guess.
     
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  15. RuthEP

    RuthEP Member

    Well, yes and no. It's a 1919 ketubbah from Aït Ayoub, Morocco. See the typical Morrocan border. Ketubbahs are traditionally written in aramaic, hence the difficulty in deciphering. The script is called solitreo and was common among mughrabi Jews. See also the tughra-like rabbi's signature, common in ottoman and formerly ottoman territories. I still haven't looked up the size of the Jewish community there to determine if it's rare, but either way it's a pretty find.
    The bridegroom, by the way, is Moshe Abitbol, the bride Simha Zohar.
    Quite a ketubbah - congrats.
    Edit: Yaron Tsur (A Torn Community, 2002) quotes one census according to which it was a tiny community numbering 35 people, which could have been one family. Admittedly, this is after the massive immigration to France and Israel started, so it could have been a bigger community half a century earlier.
     
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  16. NanaB

    NanaB Well-Known Member

    It is a beautiful piece, I have been fascinated with it since @journeymagazine posted it. My son is fluent in Hebrew, some Yiddish, German & Spanish. He hasn’t had a chance to sit & read the entire thing, so thank you.
     
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  17. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    We have a holocaust museum in Miami Beach here, maybe I'll check there.
    Thanks
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  18. NanaB

    NanaB Well-Known Member

    I was going to suggest that the other day, I completely forgot to post it. Have you been?
     
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  19. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    Several times
     
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  20. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    The other Ruth says it's in Aramaic. These days I"m not sure who still reads it other than some Bible scholars.
     
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