Small portrait on board - age/origin?

Discussion in 'Art' started by eastcoastcurious, Jun 24, 2023.

  1. eastcoastcurious

    eastcoastcurious Well-Known Member

    7CE1CD19-9A3F-4C2F-90E4-591AAC2C4E70.jpeg 2C3C229E-745E-4742-83CC-199CBD10E844.jpeg 7261579D-BE8D-4EAA-BB86-C121791614F6.jpeg 4A23095D-E19D-415C-9BD9-E26C6FF523F6.jpeg D330474E-325D-4530-AEE9-4C125F10E41C.jpeg Hello, I just picked up this small oil on board portrait. It appears to be a little bit older than the frame, but I’m not sure. Could you please let me know how old it might be and if it’s based on an earlier work? The back of the board has been covered by a piece of sheet music from 1897
     
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  2. Boland

    Boland Well-Known Member

    I like the overall frontal look of it.The back of the frame looks rather more modern to me. But the 1897 music sheet makes things interesting. You sure it’s painted and not some sort of print? What does back of the board look like underneath the music sheet?
     
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  3. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    IF it is not a print as Boland mentioned, it appears to be an unvarnished oil painting with some minor damage where I can see what appears to be white gesso showing in small spots. The white on the frame would likely be plaster decor beneath the paint, very similar.

    The grain of the wood appears to be diagonal and while not impossible when a scrap piece of wood is used, it's unusual if that is diagonal wood grain that I am looking at. There is so very little light in the eyes that may be an indication that this person had passed on when their portrait was painted.

    The paper appears to have been cut down from full size due to damage, perhaps it is from a hymn book? It does not look to be manuscript size sheet music. What is the actual size of this painting, please? 5x7"? 8x10"?

    The frame looks to have been completely hand carved, not sure what type wood was used, how soft is the wood? I like the frame very much too.
     
  4. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    I suspect that's a modern piece with old sheet music added to give it the appearance of age.

    Debora
     
  5. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    The design of the backing on the frame appears quite modern.
     
  6. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    That's what I was thinking, too. Like the "piano key" pictures that have been discussed here in many threads.
     
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  7. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Ditto. There was a fashion for doing that, was it the 90s?
     
  8. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

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    Exactly.

    Debora
     
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  9. Boland

    Boland Well-Known Member

    Was also contemplating that.
     
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  10. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I thought it was earlier in the 20th century than the '90s... but only recall that from what somebody said in this site somewhere.
     
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  11. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    Interesting observation about the lack of light in her eyes! The apparent 'grain' in pics 1 & 5 just may be evidence of a re-sawn panel...reflecting a band-saw origin for the board before painting.
     
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  12. eastcoastcurious

    eastcoastcurious Well-Known Member

    Thanks! I think that it’s 6 inches by 8 inches. I looked at it under a loupe and I saw brush strokes, so I don’t think it’s an oleograph. The frame is a heavy hard wood and it weighs about 2 lb. The sheet music was probably a hymnal page that was glued on later. The diagonal wood pattern is probably the grain or a saw mark. I think it is probably mid 20th century in an earlier style?
     
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  13. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    From the frame's back, I'd think it was much, much newer.

    Debora
     
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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    In my memory the fashion for adding sheet music to the back was in the 90s. I could be wrong, of course.
     
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  15. Debora

    Debora Well-Known Member

    Yeah, I think you're right. Around then. I can't find a match for the image but imagine it's inspired by something.

    Debora
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It's bound to be. Maybe by something Italian.
     
  17. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Yes, that's what I think too. I didn't say it above though. I also think the painting is modern decor.

    Whittier, thanks! Yes the white in the eyes always makes a portrait come "alive"!!
    I thought about mentioning the band saw aspect to the wood, but then I realized it may not even be wood. May not be old at all. So I waited to see what others would say before mentioning anything about blade cuts or age.

    You know what? Now, reading what you've said about the size of it, it could be as old or a tad older than mid-20th century in style and installed into a newer frame. That frame is def not old.

    I do not think this was painted in the United States.
     
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  18. eastcoastcurious

    eastcoastcurious Well-Known Member

    Thanks, I think that the sheet was glued to the back of the painting, but it does look like a slightly older European style painting (maybe French or Italian, possibly inspired by a portrait of a Catholic Saint 6A53CCF1-3D86-437F-AC88-FC8FFED735B9.jpeg ?)
     
  19. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    Absolutely wouldn't surprise me at all.
    Does the frame seem pretty new to you?
    I believe it was a much later addition.
    It appears to be an honest rendition of someone deceased.
    Could def be royalty. Or sub-royalty of distinction.
     
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  20. wlwhittier

    wlwhittier Well-Known Member

    That's a sweet turn of phrase!
     
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