Featured Navajo turquoise and silver cuff bracelet, need your opinions.

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  1. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    & I've seen where even the pawn shop tickets were spurious .....!
     
  2. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    What is really sad is that many NA can not afford to make sterling jewelry with the price of silver so high. I talked with some in Sedona AZ when i was there 6 years ago that said they made more money just selling off their silver than they could making jewelry out of it. At that time some were using copper. Cooper and Turquoise is very pretty but not the same.
     
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  3. stracci

    stracci Well-Known Member

    Love it!!
    Yes, I agree with everyone, Navajo 1960s-80s.

    I will also add that the bright blue turquoise with lots of pyrite is possibly from Arizona, perhaps Morenci, Kingman or Ithaca Peak.
    This is just my guess, and there's no way to know for sure.
     
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  4. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    ((sigh)) Color me surprised. There's always a chiseler.

    That's a crying shame. On the other hand turquoise contains copper, hence the color. It makes sense the two would like each other.
     
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  5. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    :meh::vomit: I hate it when keywords search brings all new stuff:arghh:
    That's why I'm asking your team skills to find real old Navajo that sold to establish a pricing:angelic::)
     
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  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    It's depressing, isn't it. Some of it may not even be Native made, let alone past Native owned. Some may not even be US made.:(
     
  7. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Jumpin' Frybread -I aint' seen this much turquoise since Woodstock !
    PS-Same thing w/ dopeium pipes & much else-the market's glutted & i'm gutted.
    PS-I've found what seemed moderately rare items,but when banging around in a crowded estate sale/thrift a tiny phone screen can't teach much.
    You get home w/yr 'goodie' & a hundred more pop-up !
    Buying at home's prob a safer way to purchase-you have time for a broader monetary evaluation.
     
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  8. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    that's a tough ask..... there's so much out there.....knowing what's old that sold gets confusing...:wacky:

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    She's old......but are her pieces all old as well....????
     
  9. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    Drop in just to say that the discussion is extremely interesting and educational for me with my 0 knowledge about NA history, habits or jewelry. What I know comes form Mayne Reid and Karl May novels that I read passionately in my childhood :happy: I remember feeling so outraged against the white Americans and so sympathetic about the Native Americans (they were called in the books American Indians, I don't know if it is right) who were mistreated, killed and forced to give up their land. I even dreamed of going there to help them....

    A, and now I recall an American actor - Dean Reed who came to live and work in the communist world, and starred in a film made in DDR - Blood Brothers, about a white man who fell in love with a NA girl and went to live with her people, and befriended her brother. I remember how this film fascinated me. The funny thing is that the part of the NA brother was performed by a Slav - the Serbian/Yugoslavian actor Gojko Mitich.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_Brothers_(1975_film)

    This is about all I know so it is so interesting to follow you.

    That bracelet is gorgeous!

    Kyra, you have "golden hands"! I am not sure that there is such expression in English but in my language it is used to describe someone very skilful and able to make or repair anything. Like you :kiss:
     
  10. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    Thank you, thank you!!!:kiss::kiss:
    I too as a child was so sad to see « Western » movies with Natives exterminated... and that it was explained by need of punishment for killing the settlers. I always thought of those as invaders:rolleyes:
     
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  11. kentworld

    kentworld Well-Known Member

    Iva, American Indian, or sometimes known as Red Indian in the past, comes from a mistake by Christopher Columbus. When he "discovered" North America, he thought he had made it to India which was his original destination. North America just got in the way, LOL! So he called the people he met "Indians." The name stuck until relatively recently. Here in Canada, we use the name First Nations mostly. Aboriginal or Indigenous peoples are also used.
     

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  12. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    I always thought the message behind Quigly down Under....very powerful...
     
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  13. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    Thank you, kentworld, for the explanation and the history behind it! I was not sure about the translation in Bulgarian (at that time I could not read English) as later on, when I started reading in English, I found very strange translations in books I have read in BG in the past, and was not sure if it wasn't one of them. Now I understand it was right for its time.

    So in Canada it is different than in US but are the names interchangeable? I mean if I use "Native American" in Canada, will it be ok, and vice versa? Or I have to stick to the accepted terms - respectively in US Native Americans and in Canada - First Nations?
     
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  14. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    Canada is in North America .........you'd be ok with either..
     
  15. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    Komo, I haven't heard of this film, now as you mentioned it, I found IMDB and wiki on it, and it seems a really good movie. Thanks for sharing it!
    And yes, good to have more films with such messages.
     
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  16. IvaPan

    IvaPan Well-Known Member

    Thank you!
     
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  17. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Without looking through the current listings I’m sure that you’re right. Coincidentally last night I was looking through a lot of NA jewelry I bought recently. Sold by a reputable auction house. One of the pieces is marked “Israel 925”. Lol. I mean it is turquoise and silver so I get why it got tossed in but funny based on your comment.
     
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  18. J Dagger

    J Dagger Well-Known Member

    Here’s a few sold examples in that “fancy” style yours is. Not sure what it’s called when there is fancy silver work around the center stone? If there’s even a name for it? 6EEDA978-EFE5-4882-AEDA-FAB024C67E15.jpeg D6B8EFBE-658C-4E71-A7AE-3973CC0B4443.jpeg 184282EF-CB73-4959-AA55-A5B1D229974B.jpeg 99307E29-4E0B-4505-B544-919D3D64613E.jpeg
     
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  19. bosko69

    bosko69 Well-Known Member

    Sad but funny-perhaps many 'Fashionistas' care more about the look than the authenticity.
     
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  20. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Native American silver made my Israelis in Israel? Okayyyyyyy, if you say so. (pfffffft!)

    BTW - the third bracelet from the top looks like sandcast, at least in part. That would be my pick of the bunch. I sincerely doubt any are legit dead pawn, but they are nice souvenirs.

    Second thought - if the OP's is too big for her, odds are it was made for a man. Navajo men wore them first. Still do, in fact.
     
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