Early 18th Delft? Running to the Experts before My Car

I spotted this delft candle holder yesterday as well. The tag on it said it was 18th, but I wanted to do my own research, especially before putting down 30 for it.

This morning I've done said research and lo and behold it looks like the tag spoke the truth. As it said, I think we're looking at a Pieter Kocx piece (1701-1722).






I then find in a different booth a candle holder with the same mark.



I know Delft copies were and are made all the time, but were there forgeries made like this and if so how can I tell if these are genuine?
I cannot find a single example of these anywhere on google, the ones I find are smaller and far more simple in design.

APK Marks to compare:
https://delftsaardewerk.nl/en/mark/apk

Side note, but out of curiosity, I have eclectic taste at best, and I'm not sure these will actually fit in when I get around to decorating, do these have any sort of value that I can justify the total 60e purchase price?

Thank you all for being a self control resource before getting my mother to drive me back the 40 minutes to the store! ​

 

Uh oh....

https://delftsaardewerk.nl/en/node/7669

 

Unfortunately that was my thinking too, when I saw the ones you posted. Nothing about them says 18th century Delfts to me.

I'm not even sure they are 19th century northern French fakes. They look too crude to me. Those vases in the link are better quality btw.

@say_it_slowly , what do you think?

 

hmmmm....

I don't think I see old, though always hard to say anything for sure from photos. If I was wanting something in the general style of Delftware I might bring them home but if I wanted something that was of the period and maker I'd keep looking, if it were me.

(I do have a couple pieces that I knew couldn't be of their period when I purchased them but I like to have things to research and for comparison. I have at least one or two pieces that I ended up deciding were most probably 20th C copies with some sort of sigs. Sweet, but not period.)

 

Drat. I did have the thought that they were rather crude for what they were supposed to be. The creatures on the handles also seem a little too 'on the nose' for genuine articles, like they are trying very hard to be older than they are. The painting itself seemed a little off to me, but when I checked pieces of the period the birds and leaves looked very similar, and the maker has pieces in the same reds as well, so all in all very confusing for one as unfamiliar with Delft as I.

If they were cheaper I most likely would go back for them as I do like the colors and the oddness of the creatures, but they're being sold as the genuine article and at genuine prices.

I find it interesting that there doesn't seem to be many geniune candle holders of this type, its a very interesting style and I'd love to get my hands on some real ones!

 

I rather like the dragon one, but it looks like a Chinese copy of a Dutch design made to be a copy of Chinese design. Makes me wonder if the trader knows what they really aren't.

 

Yes that was my favorite too! But oh dear what a mish mash of everything lol, no wonder sniffing out the truth is so complicated with these things

 

Also, a dragon then, rather than a sea creature? I couldn't decide between the two, it did look like dragon but the neck and mouth looked more serpanty.

Though aren't dragons technically of that species anyway?

 

Species Fakeus Hokemus methinks. It may have been meant as a serpent.

 

I think it is meant to be a sea snake, the way they are portrayed on antique maps. But there are many European mythical creatures that are a mix of animals or perceived animals.
Whatever it is, the design is very European, not Chinese or Chinese inspired.