Featured Help to date and describe vintage (costume) brooch

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by northernridge, Nov 2, 2015.

  1. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Very nice and not costume, I think. I'd agree it might be gold but it might also be vermeil. Looks mid to late 19th C to me. Mourning piece.
     
  2. clutteredcloset49

    clutteredcloset49 Well-Known Member

    Hi
    Just coming back to the boards.
    Your picture looked greyish to me that is why I was thinking silver. After I posted, I realized these were usually in gold tones, so I posted possibly gold washed.

    I really hope that you do not let anyone destroy your piece by having a scratch and then acid put on it. Can't tell you how many nice pieces of jewelry I have seen ruined.

    Higher gold karat will be marked. Low karat, or gold washed (vermeil) will not.

    This is an older piece of jewelry. People who collect this type of jewelry will know what they are looking at.

    I did not know the term Taille d'épargne. Found more examples here
    https://www.google.com/search?q=Tai...rbzyAIVhzKICh3UuQzd&biw=1459&bih=974&dpr=0.85
     
  3. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Not all high carat is marked, if it's early. Yeah, no scratches and acid please.
     
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  4. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    I see no harm in a discrete scratch and test on the back somewhere. It would not bother me on a piece bought in. If someone has done it previously it might save me doing it. In any case any acid marks will polish off easily and there is no need to dig a Grand Canyon to test.
     
  5. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi AF,
    Don't get me started. I had a yard sale with a table full of silver plated items. I had the sterling in a display case. I had a young man came up to me and said " I tested your silver and it is all plate" I thought it was kind of strange. Later when I was near the silver table I found out he had put a huge scratch test with chemicals in the center of each piece! I almost had my stroke.:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
    greg
     
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  6. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    I get a modern feeling about it due to the pin which appears to be zinc-plated steel, just like a lot of items you see at the hardware store today. I've seen many decorative, intricate items for sale with the same kind of finish, same colors etc. in places like Egypt, although they were mostly wall-hang things like fancy metal chargers or plates. Am thinking the item may be late 20th C, although I am quite ignorant regarding jewelry.
     
  7. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    spring, it's absolutely NOT modern. The construction, technique, quality, design, hinge and pin all point to late Victorian/Edwardian. The pins on old brooches are often not precious metal, although I don't see anything to indicate that the pin isn't silver.
     
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  8. northernridge

    northernridge Active Member

    Wow. It's really great to see everyone here and weighing in on this piece.

    Tomorrow I will take this to an award-winning jeweler who I know well. I hope his experienced eye will be able to confirm gold purity. I am really leaning away from testing it...

    Meanwhile, I plan to list it on Monday. Normally, I start low when I expect a piece to do well, usually at $9.99, to get people hooked. Federal Coin Exchange's similar pin (though not as nice) has been languishing at $219.95 on their site (and eBay store). So I just wonder if you good people think my strategy is a reasonable one in this case.

    And again, thank you!
     
  9. northernridge

    northernridge Active Member

    I still wonder why I don't get email notifications when there's a new posting here. I thought this thread had gone quiet, but today I found lots of new replies... Do others experience the same thing? (I made sure I checked the appropriate box.)
     
  10. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I think starting low often works well. Make sure you get in that it's a mourning piece, hm?
     
  11. northernridge

    northernridge Active Member

    Thank you for that. And I'm guessing you think it important to get "mourning piece" into the title?
     
  12. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

  13. dlk777

    dlk777 Member

    The fact that the pin/clasp extends out as far as it does says before the 1920s, I believe.
     
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  14. northernridge

    northernridge Active Member

    What an interesting detail. Thank you.
     
  15. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Yup, spot on. Once rollover clasps were invented, the long pin was uneccessary. That hinge is early, too.
     
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  16. northernridge

    northernridge Active Member

    That is so interesting about the length of the pin.

    The jeweler was enchanted with it. But could not confirm gold content with a loupe. Alas, turned out he was looking for a mark. But he will take it to West Reading Precious Metals who he says can test it without a scratch and acid test.
     
  17. northernridge

    northernridge Active Member

    If it is 9K rose gold, would it still be called "chased?" And is "reticulated" the correct adjective for all its movable parts?
     
  18. trip98

    trip98 Well-Known Member

    Not reticulated that means small pierced or open areas in the design.
     
  19. trip98

    trip98 Well-Known Member

    Some key words to consider not in any order of importance: Mourning, enamel, xx gold, Victorian, pin, brooch, dangle
     
  20. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Indeed - good keywords. And chased and reticulated refer to the decoration techniques not the metals used.
     
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