Candlestick age?

I have this candlestick ready to list, but can't decide how old it is. My guess from research is either 17th century or a 19th century copy. On the other hand, I could be completely wrong! Any ideas?

 

My guess is 2nd half 20th C. I just don't see any real signs of age other than that looks like it has been polished a few times. The inside of the bottom in particular seems to be saying "Hi, I'm fairly new."

 

Not worth mentioning on the house insurance then Thanks

 

I am not so sure about this being modern. Keep in mind that the British prefer their brass polished. This could have just been well kept. Does it unscrew? How is it connected? I am not an expert in such things but feel that this should not be dismissed so quickly. Here are some sites that help determine age.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=determining+age+brass+candlesticks

 

Looking at those would help determine when that style was popular, and OP's is a very old style, however when the particular example was manufactured is another thing, harder to tell because with candlesticks as with many other brass objects, reproductions are everywhere. It is certainly worth the trouble to get more opinions but don't look at the style alone. And I'm sure Brad is infinitely more enlightened on candlesticks than I.

This one appears to be made in 9 pieces, two of which are the bolt and nut that hold it all together.

 

I don't know that I am infinitely more enlightened but thought another opinion in order before dismissal. I really don't think we can tell much from just these pictures and hope the OP comes back with the information I asked for. I don't think these are any older than 19th century but kind of feel they could be at least that old. The way the bottom is so nicely finished makes me think there is the possibility. I can't really tell if that is a nut at the bottom or what. Would like to see the individual pieces if it easily comes apart.

 

The **style** seems to be similar to 17th century, 1600s, candlesticks. This might be called a capstan style candlestick. The vase shape candle cup and design on the vase seems to be suggesting Spanish? This same style base was done also in the low countries as well as the northern reaches of Europe. The English of this style tended to have more balustrade stems. Nowwww I'm not suggesting it is anywhere near that old, only in that **style.** Usually candlesticks of that era had ejecting holes in the candle cup and plain in design. Reproductions of this style were done in the 1800s, 1900s, and from Spanish Morocco to India and China. I am notoriously bad on guessing the age on such a thing from pictures. Just about all the references I have in hand or on the web of this style are shy of pics of the underside.

--- Susan

 

You should be able to disassemble it easily especially if u happen to have a wrench socket that fits the hex nut inside the bottom. Yes it would be a good idea to take it apart, and do take pix when it is apart as if it turns out to have age the pix will help sell it, I'm wondering if this stick or a pair of them came in an attractive, fitted box with a candlestick wrench in its own little compartment?

I'm interested particularly in how the bulb-shaped section at the top was made. It looks too good to be a brass casting so I was thinking it was done using an hydraulic press. The autopsy should tell. The fact that the floral impressed design is neatly filled-in with black enamel is interesting too, don't think you will see that on old sticks, but again I'm out of my field here.

Having looked at it more now, it is clearly a very well-made item and not at all like India-sweatshop brass.

 

Thanks I'll try unscrewing the nut at the bottom tomorrow and post pics.

 

Here's a dealer site with many photos of drum or capstan-base sticks somewhat similar to yours, some with photos of inside of the base. I haven't tried to evaluate the accuracy of their descriptions, I'm not smart enuf anyway, but the pix are nice and possibly useful to you.

http://www.aaawt.com/html/light_candlestick_pricket.html

 

Here too

http://www.aaawt.com/html/light_gallery1.html

 

Not sure if this is at play here or not, but after watching many of the British auction and Antiques Roadshow programs, it strikes me that in the U.S. we don't see pre-19th century pieces nearly as often as they turn up across the Pond.

So our expectations and gut feelings may not always be on target for stuff from there... or mine, at any rate!

 

Just cuz ya don't see it, doesn't mean you don't study it........but you're right that they and we get a wealth of different items in each of our locations.

We here are a much younger society , like the shop owner said to me " in China 100 yer old item.....for them is just not that old"

& things like British Sterling, we see lots of......in the UK....they see TONS of it.

 

Some of those look so similar. I will be really disappointed if mine turns upt to be worth a mere £100 now, lol $42K! Now that;s what I would like it to be

 

I had no idea Canldesticks could be SOOOO lucrative!!!

 

I finally got a pic sorted Only 4 parts, including the nut. I suppose this doesn't bode well for it

 

Hi,
At least you can get the white residue left from brass polish off. It will erode the brass eventually. The round nut is "newer" as you think.
greg

 

Yes, I think it needs a good clean off

 

I am no expert,but that hex nut,if original,must say a lot. When did they start making those?

 

I was wrong in an earlier post when I thought it was a hex nut. See pix of disassembled item-the nut is round. We could go round and round trying to assign dates to those.