Antique Haviland Porcelain with Hand Painted Crest

Hi, all! I'm posting this here and on the pottery and porcelain board in the hopes someone can decipher the crest on this pretty antique partial tea set for me? Here are the pictures.....




As you can see the crest is dated 1776 to 1876 indicating, to me, anyway that the set is a commemoration of a 100 year anniversary of......what? I thought the man might have been holding a golf club. However, it just looks like a stick with a box at the end. What type of animal is that, too? I was thinking wild boar, I guess.......I just don't know. Anyone have any ideas?

I appreciate any thoughts, guesses, or actual knowledge on this!

Juli

 

It seems to depict a beater with a flag driving the game towards the "hunters"...............otherwise I got nuttin..................

 

I thought boar too, and if I were that gentleman, I'd get the heck out of there!

 

LOL, I appreciate any thoughts on this because I had less than you! I will hunt around now for information on beaters driving game. I like it! May lead me to more info. I appreciate the quick help!

Juli

 

LOL, yes he is a bit close, isn't he?

Juli

 

I think that is exactly what the crest is showing as Mansons2005 suggested. The man appears to be a beater with a stick or flag and he is driving the wild boar, I'm pretty sure now, to his demise. LOL. I don't suppose I'll be able to identify the hunt club this crest is for, though. I'll do a little more digging. Maybe I'll get lucky.

Thanks again!

Juli

 

Didn't some colony or other revolt in 1776?


I wonder how that worked out for them? Maybe a hundred years later they were chasing beasts with sticks?

 

Coming to visit, Af?

 

Hi Juli,

I see there are two threads on these - for a moment there, I thought that I only imagined answering ...

anywho .... here's my WAGs

stick with box = axe (tree looks as if it already has rec'd a few whacks)
animal = bison? (I think I see a horn)

 

WEEELLLLLL....I was reading up on where wild boar are found and it was mostly Eurasia and Northern Africa. Until they were introduced in the Americas around 1890. Sooooo, I'm thinking this set has nothing to do with rebellion or America, for that matter! Nor do I think we Americans chase beasts with sticks! Balls, yes, beasts, no. LOL.

Thanks af! Have a great day!

Juli

 

Thanks quirkygirl! Looks like it wasn't necessary to post on both boards. I'll wait to see if I get any responses on one board before doing that again!

Juli

 

"1890"!!! Hmmmmm.... Wild pigs have been in the Americas since the Spanish 1st set foot on these shores. They brought pigs with them. Many of their pigs eventually got loose and went wild developing into the wild boers today known in such states as Arkansas, Georgia, etc. The pigs that the Spanish brought got Hernando DeSoto in trouble as he was trudging through what is known today as Florida, Alabama and Mississippi looking for El Dorado- the city of gold. The Native Americans had never tasted pork before DeSoto wintered with them on the AL-MS line. They started trying to take the DeSoto expeditions pigs. DeSoto killed the stealing Indians. Needless to say this upset the natives resulting in them harrassing DeSoto across the state of Mississippi. DeSoto was wounded as they neared the Mississippi River. He and his men were able to get across the river into Arkansas. As they were moving across Arkansas, DeSoto's wound got worse and he died. His men turned back burying/dropping DeSoto in the Mississippi River so the natives couldn't find his grave. His men built rafts and floated down the river to the Gulf of Mexico where a few that survived were rescued.

BTW, I live in DeSoto County, MS, and the county seat is Hernando. DeSoto came through here. US 78 crosses the state here from AL to the MS River. It more or less follows the old Indian trail from the AL line where the Native Americans (bands of Choctaws) wintered to the bluffs of the Mississippi River where they summered doing quite a lot of trading with many other tribes up and down the Mississippi.

http://www.encyclopediaofarkansas.net/encyclopedia/entry-detail.aspx?entryID=2125

--- Susan

 

Hi, Susan: LOL, well I WAS using Wikipedia for my info! Tells you how much you can trust THAT source! Interesting info!

Juli

 

Just did research finding like Savy that the Russian and Eurasian wild boars were introduced in the late 19th century; however, wild boars were here since Columbus - 1500s. They has been hunting of wild boar in the south since the 1700s. The longer the descendants of the Spanish pigs are wild the darker their color. Today there are 3 types of wild boar here: Spanish descendants, Eurasian boars and hybrids of the 2.

When I think of beaters especially for wild boar, I think of India.

--- Susan

 

And then you have this account of feral hogs --

http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting/history-of-feral-hogs/

 

Juli, I must have been writing my 2nd reply when you posted. Looks like we were both right. You with the introduction of Eurasian boars and I on the Spanish piggies. Are we 100% sure that is a wild boar? I have never seen in person or a pic of a wild boar with a tail like that. Between you, me and the fence post, I think it is a poorly depicted bull, bovine type. That would explain why the man waving a flag, ax or whatever is so close. Nowwwww that old bull may be kicking up his heels because he thinks the man has an ax or hachet is set on hmmmmm..... emasculating him!

--- Susan

 

Ahhhhh, "Rocky Mountain oysters"

And no, I've never ventured (much less "drifted") that far down the food chain.

 

Susan, just because of the time frame this set was made, where it was made, I was thinking it's a wild Eurasian boar. I don't remember where, but after Mansons2005 mentioned waving a flag or stick to drive the beast, I found information on just that sort of activity in Europe at about the same time frame. The tail is painted longer than the pictures I've seen of the creatures. But, I guess that could just be an exaggeration by the artist, right?

Who knows! It's been a fun conversation anyway!

Juli

 

I thought it was a buffalo ? But the tail is odd. Pretty little set though.

 

Probably is European, but will throw in another thought. With that brim, the hat has a definite cowboy, Stetson, look. He may be holding a branding iron. The background of mountains and wide water doesn't have a Texas feel, but possibly a Colorado, Montana, feel. Why such a porcelain motif would have a western motif with the US bicentennial dates 1776-1876, I haven't a clue. Also anything European or India with USA bicentennial dating is beyond me also. The whole thing doesn't make sense to me. You didn't show a pic of the backstamp. Can you date the Haviland backstamp?

http://www.havilandonline.com/backmark.htm

--- Susan