Featured CAMEOS: Show & Tell or Ask & Answer

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Bronwen, Dec 20, 2017.

  1. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    This is well below this seller's usual quality of cameo/intaglio offering. If you look at their other listings you will see several Poniatowski gems among them. Their English translations are a reliable source of mirth. They seem to use a translation program, but not to have anyone there with enough English who takes a look at the results & can tell when the translation doesn't make sense.

    'A scene of from classical mythology is depicted: we see that youthful lifting in peaceful coexistence with the father of the gods Zeus in the guise of an eagle. Powerful cut the gem cutter has held lifting as a goddess of youth in their main task in God heaven: is Mundschenkin of the Olympian gods and responsible for the preparation of food. Here she served a bowl of Jell-o her father Zeus Ambrosia and keep a carafe with nectar in the arm. Lifting is sitting on a wall, Zeus as a mighty Eagle approaching hurriedly and nourishes the Ambrosia.'

    For some reason, they consistently get 'lifting' as a translation for Hebe. Daughter of Zeus & Hera, she does represent youthfulness, as in the word 'hebephrenic', and her official role on Olympus is 'Cupbearer to the Gods', until she is supplanted in the role by Ganymede & married off to Heracles. For more:

    https://cameotimes.com/index.php/profiles-1/minor-gods/hebe-and-eagle
     
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  2. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Thank you, @Bronwen . I suppose the high quality of many of their offerings keeps them in business with English speakers. And also suppose they have lots of German-language listings.
     
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  3. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    They do also list in German, where they make more sense!
     
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  4. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

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  5. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    With transgender re-enactors.
    Probably a Walter Scott novel or one of the Romantic poets.
     
  6. kyratango

    kyratango Bug jewellery addiction!

    The first early « Cold cases » episode... they got rid of the corpse:hilarious:
     
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  7. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

    :joyful:
     
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  8. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    A bargain that arrived in the mail today. Seller listed it as a brass setting but it tests as 9K gold. :)

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  9. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    She's very nice. Think she is still an idealized figure, not a portrait of an actual woman, but unusual in that her clothing, with that lacy collar, looks like it was taken from life.
     
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  10. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    https://www.hofer-antikschmuck.de/s...arstellung-der-hebe-italien-um-1930/a-593107/

    The translator I use is not quite as bad, but does still have her as a Munchkin serving jello:

    In this offer, we are pleased to present you a beautiful brooch that was certainly a souvenir from Italy in the first decades of the 20th century. The version of the highly oval piece of jewelery is made of brass and silver and shows from the front a finely cut gems of bicoloured shell. Shown is a scene of classical mythology: We see the youthful Hebe in peaceful coexistence with the godfather Zeus in the shape of an eagle. In a powerful cut the Gemmenschneider Hebe has held as the goddess of youth in their most important task in the heaven of the gods: It is Munchkin of the Olympian gods and responsible for the preparation of the food. Here she serves her father Zeus a bowl of jello Ambrosia and holds a carafe of nectar in his arms. Hebe sits on a wall, Zeus as a mighty eagle approaches in flight and feeds on the Ambrosia. In Homer, nectar and ambrosia occur regularly in the Iliad and the Odyssey as the immortalizing food of the gods. In the course of the mythological tradition Hebe is said to have been replaced after their marriage with Heracles of the Trojan Prince Ganymede in this task, he then cupbear the gods.
     
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  11. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    Thanks, @Bronwen!

    Any idea who this is?

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  12. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    She's a sibyl. There's a great deal of confusion about which is which & I'm not where I can access my files, or I could sort it out for you better. Both Guercino & Domenichino did an assortment of sibyls, sometimes more than one version of the same one. The Cumaean, Samian & Persian sibyls are the principal ones, but they're all jumbled up on the Internet. See Domenichino's Cumaean Sibyl as a starting point. Think what she is holding is supposed to say alpha omega, not AU.
     
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  13. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    Sibyl! I think we discussed her before. She looked familiar.
     
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  14. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I have this one on the home page of Cameo Times:

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  15. Smudged

    Smudged Well-Known Member

    Hello, Is this a generalised female form or based on a more specific character do you think? The mount is 18ct. I like the veil or hood fastened by roses. il_570xN.1937465947_d8g7.jpg
     
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  16. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    That is much better! What word is the translator interpreting as Jello?
     
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  17. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Götterspeise, which looks like it should be God-spice. Jell-o sure did some marketing job to get it to be a synonym for gelatin. Ambrosia is the food of the gods; nectar, the drink. Translators want to make Göttervater into godfather, when what's wanted is father god.
     
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  18. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Generic pretty lady. Putting swirls on the background is distinctive of Italian cameos of the 1920s - 30s. Hey everyone - where did we just have another like that? In this case the cutter did give the suggestion of a veil, although that is not a standard accoutrement for these ladies. :)
     
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  19. Jivvy

    Jivvy the research is my favorite

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