CDV Name Help? Also Military ID (Country)

Hello,

Purchased a lot at an auction last night,

Found this poor old foxed CDV of a military man. (looks foreign to me)

Any help with the country of origin would be awesome!

Also His name is written on the back:

"Yours Truly, (Something) R. Hardenburgh"

Does that look correct to you?

Thank you all in advance!

Warm Regards,
Scantic

 

JR Hardenbergh possibly. The name turns up with military connections in California in google.

 

Jas is the abbreviation for James.

I have Hardenbergh ancestors. I wonder if we're related?

 

I think this is your guy. James Richmond Hardenbergh, 1st Lt. during the Civil War.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=3529113&ref=acom

 

Interesting family background. It appears that his father, also named James Richmond Hardenbergh (born abt 1814-15 in New Jersey and listed as an attorney at law in the 1850 census with wife Eliza, son James R and other family members in New Brunswick, NJ) moved across the country to Sacramento WITHOUT HIS FAMILY and became established there so quickly that he was elected Mayor in both 1851 and 1853. In 1860 he was Postmaster and during the Civil War he became Surveyor General of the District of California for the federal Interior Department. Meanwhile back in NJ, his wife was listed with her mother and the children in the 1860 Census with a special notation that she is "insane."

 

Wow thank you so much for the help! That's amazing!

Now my mind is running wild with all sorts of thoughts! I wonder why she was "insane"! Crazy to think he made the move without all of them. Seems like his father was a pretty important fellow, and maybe that is why his son got a decent rank starting out!

 

The photographers appear to be Bradley & Rulofson...
http://www.cslfdn.org/pdf/TriumpofHelios_P3.pdf

 

Actually, back then, if your husband took off and never returned, going insane sounds pretty logical.

The enumerator's notation is actually 2 lines, but the writing is so small (from lack of space) that the only word I was sure of was the first one - insane.

 

WOW!!!
You think there's a connection to you here Bakers?

 

I don't know. I checked my list of tree people and the Hardenberghs were living back in the 1600 and 1700's. So the connection if any would be pretty distant.

 

I hope you find more.
Good thing not on her side......
~
Insanity is 'relative'.

 

One of my 6th Great Grandmothers was Ann Hardenbergh born about 1735 on Long Island. I was able to get back 2 more generations to her grandfather (my 8th GGF), Jan, who was born in the Netherlands about 1670 and was the primary immigrant of that line.

 

Wow! That's really great you can do that.

 

And the son also went to California, obviously. Was he in the 1860 census in New Jersey with his mother? He must have gone to California some time around then since it looks like he served from California in the Civil War.

 

Huh! There is a distant chance that we could be related - I don't have access right now but the Long Island branch of my family has a Hardenbergh (possibly HardenbUrgh?) in it, though it think it was a female who married in. And I believe it was pre-Revolution.

 

Yes Fig, he was 19 in 1860 and living with his mother in NJ. I think there were some details about his military service on the FindAGrave listing?

Oh that would be so funny, Mansons! And yes, there are many variations in spelling over time. I've got both of those spellings on my radar just in case, plus some that were recorded in at least one record as Hardenbrook.

My "first" Hardenbergh was by no means the earliest of that name to come over but I do not know of a specific familial connection to the others - those were up the Hudson though.

 

Crimini! We have a large (and the major) branch from up river. Dutch that married into the (victorious) English mostly................I may be thinking of that branch. One of these days I'll have to get the books out and see if I can sort it out.

 

Well, I suspect you're the one, should there be one, who would be related the James R Hardenbergh in Scantic's CDV. I did some poking about and found several trees with family members descended from Hudson Valley Hardenbergh's who were in the New Brunswick, NJ area following the Revolution. None showed a specific connection to him, in fact neither James Sr nor James Jr appears on a tree there. Maybe there's a reason for that.

 

Whoa baby! I originally thought the gent in the CVD looked vaguely familiar.........and just now I noticed his resemblance to the gent in my avatar....... and HE is an ancestor from the Up River branch of the family.......... now I will have to sort out those books.. I hope I still have them and didn't donate them along with most of the photos and papers............

 

If you'd like, you could message me a few details on the fellow in your avatar and I could do some looking for you (in case finding "those books" is a problem.)