Well-known People?

Discussion in 'Ephemera and Photographs' started by Batman_2000, May 21, 2015.

  1. Batman_2000

    Batman_2000 Well-Known Member

    I have a few CDVs that are unidentified but feel like they should be somebody, if you know what I mean. So I thought I would share them in the hope someone might recognise them, or just tell me to stop dreaming!!! Haha!

    Here's the first one, which I put on eBay recently but received a message saying it looked a lot like Robert Frost (the poet), so I ended the auction to do some research. It was very kind of the person to let me know, especially as I like to keep any that can be identified! Of course, I'm not saying it IS Robert Frost (the dates don't match etc etc) but there is an uncanny likeness. I think Frost had some English ancestry, but I'm not sure what area the family were from?

    The photographer was Edwin Wynne Tanner Sanger from Salisbury (Wiltshire UK), who died Nov 1883 age 34.

    What do you think?

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  2. Batman_2000

    Batman_2000 Well-Known Member

  3. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

    If the photographer died in 1883 Robert Frost would have been 9 at that time so doesn't seem possible.
     
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  4. Batman_2000

    Batman_2000 Well-Known Member

    Yes, the dates are off, so it's definitely not Frost himself. But extended family perhaps? I'm looking for links to Salisbury, Wiltshire... it's a long shot!!!
     
  5. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

  6. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    In looking at some genealogical information online, Robert Frost's ancestors on his father's side came to North America in the 1600s. Seven generations before Robert, his ancestor Charles Frost was born in Tiverton, Devon, England in 1632. Charles died in 1697 in Berwick, York Co., Maine.

    In this case, if the fellow in this photo was related to Robert Frost through the Frost line, they couldn't have been closer relations than about 6th cousins.

    Robert Frost's mother Isabelle Moodie was apparently born in Scotland. Wiltshire, where Sanger was a photographer, is in southern England so there is not really an obvious physical connection. But I believe it would be more likely to find a connection through that line.

    Another possibility is that there would be a relationship through Robert Frost's paternal grandmother, or great-grandmothers, etc. There would need to be a lot of checking of that!
     
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  7. Batman_2000

    Batman_2000 Well-Known Member

    Thank you! Unfortunately the link only brings up a thumbnail but I can see the lacey throw on the back of the chair :)

    Many thanks! This is great information. I had a look on ancestry but the Moodie family tree is a little patchy and I couldn't get very far back. I'm wondering if there might have been a sibling who moved South to England. I did find a few 'Moody's living in Salisbury in 1881, but whether there's any connection or not is hard to tell. I agree that the 'Frost' ancestry is a little too far removed to be useful.

    I'll do a bit more digging and see if I can find anything. Otherwise I'll just have to put the likeness down to coincidence :D.

    On my hunt around the web, I also found these cdv's by Sanger:
    http://flickrhivemind.net/Tags/ewsanger
     
  8. Batman_2000

    Batman_2000 Well-Known Member

    Here's another one.. this time by Hector de Saedeler of Brussels, Belgium. He's a very dapper young man! There's a pencilled name (?) at the bottom of the card which I can't read properly... could be Bruailly? I've searched in the usual places but not found anything so far. Any thoughts?

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  9. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Genetics can be endlessly fascinating. One Alexander Biddle was enrolled in my school when we were in 8th grade. A few hundred years later, I found a painting of his doppleganger in an antique shop. Recognized him instantly! The subject's name was also Alexander Biddle, and the painting was done in the 1840's! (I think it was)
     
  10. Batman_2000

    Batman_2000 Well-Known Member

    Wow, how strange that the man in the painting even had the same name! It must have given you quite a start!

    I have a CDV of a man who looks a lot like Charlie Chaplin... I don't think it is him (again, wrong date etc) but definitely his doppleganger! Perhaps I'll share that one tomorrow... :)
     
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  11. Ladybranch

    Ladybranch Well-Known Member

    >Thank you! Unfortunately the link only brings up a thumbnail but I can see the lacey throw on the back of the chair :)
    https://www.etsy.com/listing/88877154/cdv-photo-young-woman-salisbury-england
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    Strange, it brings up a full picture for me on that link if you scroll about a1/3rd of the way down the page. The only description it has is:

    "CDV Photo Young Woman Salisbury, England
    "Awesome dress and hat! Quite stylish in her taffeta, ribbons, and lace! Photographer was E. W. Sanger of Salisbury, England. . Measures 2 " x 4 1/8". Sepia toned."

    Following is the pic. There are **also** 4 thumbnails of other views of the pic that when clicked enlarges the pictures:

    [​IMG]

    --- Susan
     
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  12. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I agree about the dress and hat. Fabulous!
     
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  13. Batman_2000

    Batman_2000 Well-Known Member

    Thank you again! When I scrolled down the page yesterday, there was nothing there... but today I checked the link from my phone and could see the image... it's possibly my computer.

    I agree with Fig, that's a fabulous photo. She seems to be smiling which is quite unusual too :). The costume is incredible... I love how the upper layer of her dress is turned back! The chair and throw are the same as the other Sanger CDVs I've seen, but the carpet is different. Must've had a new one!
     
  14. Batman_2000

    Batman_2000 Well-Known Member

    Here's the Charlie Chaplin look-a-like that I mention in a previous post... I kept looking at this one, thinking he reminded me of someone ;-). Taken by J.T.Haden of Birmingham (UK) in 1885, before Chaplin was even born.

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  15. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    Sorry Bats....I just aint seein it .....
     
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  16. Batman_2000

    Batman_2000 Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the attachment. Maybe it's just me then ;-). It's just that his whole demeanor (pose, jacket, hat, cane, hair, 'tache...) reminds me strongly of Chaplin, particularly in character.

    So here's my final one (for now). He reminds me of the poet, Longfellow? It would be wonderful to identify this man, his face is full of character... and I like how he has a wry smile on his face :)

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  17. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    Well, I'm not seeing a Longfellow resemblance at all.... But he does remind me of the current mayor of the small city where I live. It's in the U.S., not U.K., though. Maybe a doppelganger? :)

    Most photos of Longfellow show him with a full beard, but here is one without.

    He died in 1882. Henry_Wadsworth_Longfellow_by_Southworth_&_Hawes_c1850_restored.jpg
     
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  18. Batman_2000

    Batman_2000 Well-Known Member

    Thanks Fig :). Funny how we all see things differently. I guess the styles of the times account for some similarities - hair, costume etc. That, and my poor eyesight!!!
     
  19. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Your final fellow is a doppelganger for Ward Bond.
     
  20. silverthwait

    silverthwait Well-Known Member

    Wow! Just looked at WB on Wiki!
     
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