Featured Regimental Pipes, Pickelhaube Badge, Patch, etc.

After the disappointment of last week, I hit a gold mine today and bought this lot of stuff. This post will have the pipes, pickelhaube crest, and the patch (which, err, I guess is actually masonic). The next one will have the medals (or honors). I'd love to get your thoughts.

 

the pipes are very nice.
Whether commemorative or made in the years marked I can't say.
The fabric knot is from a sword or dagger.
Looks like you had fun !!!!

 

Thank you! I thought the knot must be for part of a uniform (okay, I was slightly worried I had bought a drapery tie, but decided to risk it), so it's good to know what it's actually for.

I had a really good time. My wallet? Not so much.

 

OK...wait...uniform.....hummm I hadn't thought about that.....draped over the chest or shoulder..........y'now...maybe.
I'm just quick to think about blades...

 

If it helps, it's 50 cm long. Wooden core, but still very lightweight.

 

the Reservistenpfeifen and Reservistenkrüge belong to the most faked items in Germany. so clear pics is a MUST.
same for the medals and needles. one even marked "Nach Motiv Friedrichsorden Württemberg 1830" (after motif of...) which is a small copy and doesn't come anywhere near anything original.
https://www.google.ch/search?q=Frie...7tvhAhUMJBoKHTbIClkQ_AUIDygC&biw=1184&bih=548
the dagger shown by komokwa is a Swiss officer dagger with the "Schlagband" (whatever that may be in English...).
https://www.google.ch/search?biw=11...-wiz-img.......0j0i30j0i8i30j0i24.o_RCdnJQBE8

 

Thanks! I'll try to get better pictures.

I didn't think the small 1830 one was an original medal by any means; I figured it was a later commemorative piece. I've identified most of the other medals (the top two are Italian). Mainly just still trying to figure out what the small repousse applique is.

These were part of a larger lot I bought of commemorative coins, bierzipfel, and old sport/schützenfest medals. In total, it worked out to about 2.4 euros per item, so I figured, it's not too much of a risk.

 

what do you call repousse applique ?
which ones are Italian ? the RI ?
amazing that a Manchester Lodge is in that heap.
the ones with 25 and 50 are awards for memberships in the Kriegervereine.

 

Sorry, I mean the rekrutierung item, which I now realize once had a pin attached to the back.

Yeah, I found the RI medals listed as Italian: http://www.liverpoolmedals.com/Civil-Long-Service-Cross-R.I.-16-years-silvered-L10552.html

Is it safe to assume that the Kriegervereine awards are pre-WWII?

The Manchester Lodge patch was from a different seller. I'm having difficulty finding anything about it online.

 

I'd ask the lodge directly.
http://stswithuns.clivey.com/
yes, the Kriegervereine hangers are before 1938. first they were integrated into the Nazi Reichskriegerbund; after 1945 they were forbidden by the Allies, BUT... of course they showed up again in the 50s under wrong flag like Kameradschaft etc. but without those crosses.
I have severe doubts about the Italian ones. look rather aluminium fantasy items.

 

totally agree, that the 'drapery tie' is a "portepee" or sword knot for an officer. the word comes from the french "port epee" or "carry a sword (epee)" which was earned by officers (now equivalent to a Commissioned Officer). the rubber banded part would be long enough to loop as in komokwa's photo.

 

Not sure what you mean by 'commemorative piece'. The basic idea behind the stick pins was to show, as a veteran in civilian clothes, your medals earned. You could buy the 'mini version' from a dealer and then pin them on you. In many instances, you could get multiple copies (and not sure if you needed documentation that you actually received an original medal) and you could buy them in various qualities, like silver or base metals. I own originals passed through my family, and by no means am an expert, and stay away from collecting for the reason of the market being flush with fakes, but the overall look of that pin warrants further investigation, i.e., looks at first blush good to me. Furthermore, I have EK stickpins (Eisernes Kreuz, Iron Cross) that associate with the original medal, which I can only know through the provenance, because, in reality, all you had to do back then was go down to the local 'medal shop' and buy it.

 

the "egr. Batt" medal... Wilhelm II in the picture; medal image is Wilhelm II also (king of prussia). piece missing from insert: full length probably would read "Krieg[e]r Batt[alion]" No idea how to authenticate.

 

there were no military units called Kriegerbattalion.

 

other guesses: Flieger? jäger?
That's why buying a lot of these things is like trying to open and read a 20 Volume treatise on military history. You can't know it all, so you take a stab in the in dark and explore.

Krieger is just 'warrior' so too generic. Thx Fid.

 

Found the rest. The other piece apparently fell out in my bag sorry I thought it came like that. Thank you for the suggestions!

 

Bonus! thanks for the follow up.

 

Telegrafenbattalion might be rare. amazingly all references are written with the ph for the f.

 

for the top pipe:
Zum Andenken an meine Dienstzeit bei der 2. Gruppe (??) des 4. Westfälischen Infanterieregiments No. 17
Mörchingen in Lothringen 1909 - 1911

it's already a good point that the regiment existed and was in the barracks in Mörchingen at the time.
http://genwiki.genealogy.net/IR_17

BUT...