Featured Dutch? Rosette Bracelet with Amber Rhinestones and Sword Hallmark

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Barn Owl, Mar 8, 2019.

  1. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    This is one of those situations where I return home with a treasure, notice a flaw, and proceed to kick myself repeatedly. There's always such a sense of urgency at flea markets, compared to thrift stores, where I can push my cart into a secluded corner and leisurely look up my finds on my phone.
    In this case, the tongue clasp appears to either be damaged or too short for the fastening, making it practically impossible for me to open it. Still, before I rule this out as a mistake buy, I'm wondering if it might have any value.

    The stones appear to be glass rhinestones, but their facets look smoother than normal rhinestones, and they don't have that gleam I associate with newer pieces. The stone on the clasp piece has been replaced with an amber cabochon. There is a small mark stamped on the tongue--it resembles a cross. I can't test the bracelet, but I'm wondering if any of you might have an idea where it came from, how old it is, or what it might be made of. I also have a brooch with similar rosette (?) style adornments.

    EDIT: Thanks to advice below, I believe that the cross is, in fact, a sword and that the bracelet may be Dutch. I think it matches the E. Hallmark here (http://www.mne-aesop.com/jackman/03.htm), but does it seem like something made between 1814 and 1905?
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  2. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

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    Maybe that’s a sword?
     
  3. KSW

    KSW Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't be kicking myself if I'd come home with that!. Maybe just needs a tweak to make it work. If you love it a good jeweller may be able to help?
     
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  4. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    Good idea. That didn't occur to me. I'll see if I can find a sword maker's mark.
     
  5. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    I might end up just snipping the band attached to the tongue clasp, and attaching a spring ring clasp to it.
     
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  7. Barn Owl

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  10. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    I was just writing the same sentence. :)
     
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  11. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    #F sure looks good for a match !!
     
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  12. i need help

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    I’m having technical problems, this is from 925-1000.
     
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  13. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    Strangely, the other site I linked has the F image from 925 labeled as E.
     
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  15. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    I couldn't figure out what this meant, other than that the clasp is difficult to open. At all times? Only when the bracelet is on the wrist?

    I find spring rings on bracelets extremely difficult to operate with one hand when putting the bracelet on. If you are preparing the piece for resale, you might want to think twice about this fix. I find toggle clasps the easiest to use on bracelets. Changing the clasp is likely to alter the length, another thing to take into consideration.
     
  16. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    @Barn Owl

    Can you open the clasp and post a photo of the top of the slide?
     
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  17. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    Sorry, I was tired when I wrote it. There is a lever to open the bracelet. It is too short to reach with my short fingernails. The last 1/4 centimeter of the lever was either broken off, or the tiny stem you see on other similar bracelet clasps is missing. The clasp itself works.

    I don't wear bracelets, so thank you for that insight. I'll probably just leave it as is.

    @Hollyblue I'll do that when I get home :)
     
  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Yes, it looks like the Dutch sword mark of 1906-1953. It is always difficult to see which sword a mark actually is. The hallmark designers clearly had little imagination and only changed minor details whenever a new mark was needed.:rolleyes:
    Not a mistake buy, and it has value.:)
    It is made in the style of Zeeland, the southwestern delta/island province of the Netherlands. The rosette is called 'Zeeuwse knoop', Zeeland button. They were originally buttons, but they made their way into jewellery.
    I have never seen one set with yellow glass though, they are usually all gold or silver, like this one:

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    Or set with Bohemian garnets, like this ring:
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    Silver was generally worn when in mourning. The usual gold and coral were considered too bright and happy, so they were replaced with silver and garnet. After some time people were allowed to wear gold and garnet, like the ring above, and when the mourning period ended gold and coral came out of storage.
    Yellow stones would have been considered too bright for mourning, what would the neighbours think.
    The way the glass is set, with those triangular claw prongs is also very unusual.
    They don't look like rhinestones to me. Rhinestones are lead glass or crystal, these look like regular glass. Could be Bohemian.
    Do you mean real amber?:)
    :punch::punch::punch:

    Barn, with the yellow glass and the possible amber cab, I wonder if your bracelet could have been made in the Netherlands for the (north) German market. Northern Germany has a tradition of lavish silver jewellery, and amber of course.

    The Zeeland button as it was originally worn, vice-admiral Aert van Nes by Ferdinand Bol, 1667:
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  19. Barn Owl

    Barn Owl Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much! The glass was what made me think it was costume. I didn't realize that there is a difference between glass and rhinestones.

    The cabochon on the clasp appears to be genuine amber. I looked at it under a loupe and it has a spangle in it. That, and the sword mark, put enough doubt in my mind about it being costume to buy it.

    No worries, lol. Now that I know what it is, I won't touch it.

    I'm in NRW, so that's quite likely.

    Thank you for enlightening me to Dutch jewelry. I've seen those buttons before, but thought that they were single cufflinks so never purchased them. I'll be on the lookout from now on.
     
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  20. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Cannetile, fwiw.
     
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