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Discussion in 'Silver' started by MrNate, Feb 19, 2019.

  1. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

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  2. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Thanks! I wonder, though, since the piece you found this on is not marked by Christofle in any way - in fact has a mark of unknown origin - whether it has any special meaning? The "cat" with the CC is quite different.

    I guess I should re-state. The Christofle with the 35 is shown in the table as being "attributed" to pieces from either Karlsruhe or Vienna. But your item has no other identifiable Christofle markings.
     
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  3. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    If you scroll down a bit you will see the CAT with a 3 and 5 just like on the flatware. Perhaps this is similar to when Reed & Barton or other companies allow their name to go on something that wasn't directly manufactured by the company?
     
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  4. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Not a clue. And I'm not really sure that the author of that article knows for sure either.
     
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  5. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    He seems immensely knowledgeable on the topic (most definitely more than me, or anyone else on the planet as it relates to Christofle it appears):

    Note in the first link he's using a quadratic polynomial function to reverse engineer the real years of issuance of Christofle items using ordinal numbers appearing on them...whatever the heck that means...
    http://www.ascasonline.org/articoloDICEM140.html
    http://www.ascasonline.org/articoloGIUGN130.html
    http://www.ascasonline.org/ARTICOLOMARZ180.html
    http://www.ascasonline.org/windowOTTOB77.html
     
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  6. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    You're starting to lose me with the math mumbo jumbo. Do your pieces have ordinal numbers on them?
     
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  7. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    No, I was just responding about whether the author knows for sure. I agree he might not know for sure, but I see in his other posts that he communicates directly with Professor Marc de Ferrière le Vayer the former director of the Christofle Museum. I was just suggesting that he seems to be an expert on the topic and I trust the article. As always, I really love your input Bakersgma and here you helped me narrow down the search a bunch.
     
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  8. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    And you are welcome, of course. :)

    I just think it's a big leap to assume that the appearance of an obscure mark occasionally showing up a pieces that came from Christofle's locations outside of France means the item, not marked in Christofle's usual manner, must be theirs.
     
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  9. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    I got some spare time today, so I started cleaning and polishing the CTF35 pattern. Admittedly, it took forever. I tried using toothpicks to clean out muck from the stamp marks and that was the most tedious part of it. I'm pretty happy with the results:
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  10. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

    like a proud Plate cleaning Papa !!!!1
    well done !
     
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  11. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

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  12. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Regarding that math model. I think what he was saying that the pieces were labelled sequentially and therefore, the numbers are ordinal numbers - 1st, 2nd and so forth. With the graph starting with 1862 as 0, he postulated that production being a steady rate, he could plot his pieces on the curve of the time period to determine their approximate age. He said that the curve wasn't entirely correct because it didn't take into consideration manufacturing rates. If you had a numbered piece, then you could also approximate age according to the graph.
     
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  13. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    I tried, but I actually got more of it off with a toothpick. The christofle marks all have a black edge of heavy tarnish that was hard to scrape off.
     
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  14. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    Final photos, took some time to polish the second set:

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  15. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

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  16. MrNate

    MrNate Well-Known Member

    Is it warm where you live? ;) because silver polishing is the most relaxing part of my day.
     
  17. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Southern California - thought it's been chilly this year but usually year round shorts weather.
     
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  18. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    They turned out most beautifully.
     
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  19. gregsglass

    gregsglass Well-Known Member

    Hi MrNate,
    I LOVE polishing silver always have. There is nothing as relaxing as polishing silver. I have polished silver for all my friends and quite a few relatives. I must have been a servant in one of my past lives. My favorite pieces are a set of sterling from the White House. It was given to a woman who worked there from age 12 to when she retired when 80. She was gifted with a service of eight sterling from the 1880s. Her family sold it several years later and I purchased it.
    greg
     
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  20. cxgirl

    cxgirl Well-Known Member

    lots of work to polish all of the silverware but it looks wonderful Mr Nate:)
    lol KikoBlueEyes:)
     
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