Help with Sliver/Plated? Asian/Middle-Eastern? Chased Bowl

Discussion in 'Metalware' started by LoveTheHunt!, Jan 25, 2019.

  1. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Okay, here's the latest mystery...
    Bowl is 5-3/16" diameter x 2-1/2" tall.
    The owner believes it is silver, but I think silver-plated brass, based on the tone of color, verdigris on the inside (although I suppose that could be from something else that was in the bowl), and it actually sounds like a thin brass bell when struck. (It doesn't belong to me, so I don't want to scratch it deep enough to find out.)
    Owner thinks it is Asian, but I am leaning towards the Mid-East based on the look of the marks on the bottom, and maybe the design, too...
    Neither of us has much expertise in THIS area, so - what say you?
    Silver_Plate-Bowl-Chased-s.jpg Silver_Plate-Bowl-Chased-ins.jpg Silver_Plate-Bowl-Chased-btm.jpg Silver_Plate-Bowl-Chased-marks.jpg
     
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  2. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    @LoveTheHunt

    Can you get a better and larger photo of the maker's marks bottom center,they may be Chinese.Don't need the whole bottom ,just dead center.
     
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  3. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I think the script is Devanagari, a script used in most parts of south and southeast Asia in varying forms.
    My guess is Burma (Myanmar). We need @AuDragon for this one, hope he'll be back soon.
     
  4. aaroncab

    aaroncab in veritate victoria

    Not sure if you were referencing Holly's comment - but I think she was asking for a closer up pic of the marks in the rectangular stamp/impression - quite hard to see in the pic as is :

    Silver_Plate-Bowl-Chased-marksdev.jpg
     
  5. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    @aaroncab

    Thanks,they look like Chinese marks.
     
  6. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Yes, will have them up in a minute. Looking at it again reminded me of the less-obvious stamped marks there.
     
  7. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    OK, here's a detail of the marks. Those stamped marks are rather indistinct and incomplete - can anyone get anything certain from them?
    Silver_Plate-Bowl-Chased-marks-det.jpg
     
  8. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Still can't tell exactly what the marks are.The piece isn't real quality,the chasing is choppy and many areas were over/double stamped for some reason.
     
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  9. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Would y'all agree this is NOT solid silver?
     
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  10. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    Too hard to say from photos,it looks like verdigris on the interior and could be silver/tin plated.
     
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  11. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Thanx, that's what I am thinking.
     
  12. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Indian, I'd say. I've a few of these, they're usually Anglo Indian/Empire bits.
     
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  13. LoveTheHunt!

    LoveTheHunt! Well-Known Member

    Is that a "good thing"? The owner thinks it is pretty valuable, but I'm dubious... As you have "a few of these" - how do you characterize the value?
     
  14. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    The design of the chasing is good,but the execution of the chasing with all of the mistakes and double striking makes the piece look like it was made in a small back alley shop.
     
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  15. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    No idea. It might be something like a .700 grade silver or even .500; that would account for the verdigris. It can happen with lower grade pieces. I have a bracelet that tests positive for silver, but it had greenies in spots when I found it and it's not plated.
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Verdigris can even appear on .835 silver.

    My Anglo-Indian silver looks more 'silvery', different from the bowl you posted. It is mostly .900 - .950 silver and looks it. There has never been any verdigris, even if I got them in a very neglected state. Tarnish and grime, yes, verdigris, no.
    And the chasing is deeper, like on my Anglo-Indian drinks measure:
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  17. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

  18. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    That was another one of my guesses, which is why I thought we needed Audragon, who knows about Thai. Also about some neighbouring styles.
    The central design, with those two wing-like things (Nagas?) looks from that general region, Burmese, Thai, Cambodian.
    This specific Devanagari-related script is more rounded than Thai or Khmer (Cambodian), which is why I thought Burma. There are also different scripts for different minority languages, another thing Audragon or his partner would know. Chinese silversmiths were everywhere in that general area.

    Thai script:
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    Burmese script:
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  19. DragonflyWink

    DragonflyWink Well-Known Member

    Thai was the first to come to my mind, with Burma and Cambodia naturally coming to mind next...

    ~Cheryl
     
  20. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    So we both had that general area in mind.:) I hope that helps any further research.
     
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