Any Ideas as to Artist on this watercolor? from New York?

Discussion in 'Art' started by alynnfin, Feb 25, 2022.

  1. alynnfin

    alynnfin Well-Known Member

    Sorry I didn't answer fully before but I had to pick up my 95 yo Mom as she wanted to go her fav thrift shop, so I was rushing. Thank you all for pushing me into taking it out of the frame. I wouldn't have; and I have an original! The coloring barely comes off on tissue, but it does, so no crayon, dry point? No, moreotherstuff, I can't feel any separation or edge. The framers had 40 of the metals points really tight, plus 40 yrs in frame, plus there was tape tightly around the rim of the glass in the front and the white board, so it was tight, but I would still think I should have been able to feel an edge. I cannot. It feels like one piece; however, it can't be because the center is a different texture of paper. I run my fingernail to the edge of the tan paper and feel nothing, but going from a slick finish to rougher finish, no edge per se. It has to be glued on, just because there are 2 kinds of paper. Weirdness.
     
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  2. alynnfin

    alynnfin Well-Known Member

    sabre123, you are right, it is an original. It barely rubs off on a tissue when I slightly rub across it, so not crayon or pastel, what else could it be? Or maybe age makes it less likely to rub?
     
  3. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I was hoping someone else would reply.

    It does look drawn rather than painted, and it does look for all the world like one piece of paper mounted to another.

    Maybe a copy (or reproduction) of a drawing by Aristide Maillol (they're very similar):
    Image1.jpg

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/...e_Maillol#/media/File:Maillol_-_Dessin_06.jpg

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    Now I'm confused. A different Maillol? A reproduction of the Wikipedia Maillol? A copy of it? A reproduction of another Maillol? A fake?
    Here's Maillol's signature:
    Image2.jpg

    There seems to be too much similarity for there not to be a connection.
     
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  4. komokwa

    komokwa The Truth is out there...!

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    not the 1st rendition of a curvy nude from behind......

    I don't see that they're the same.....imo..
     
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  5. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    Definitely not the same. There are plenty of differences in the drawing itself, and the signature on each is differently situated. Given there is no apparent edge denoting a separate piece of paper, and that the company did reproductions, and the presence of what appears to be a Maillol signature, it stands to reason that the print @alynnfin has is a reproduction with broad white orders.

    If so, what was Oestreicher reproducing?
     
  6. alynnfin

    alynnfin Well-Known Member

    I went back and the artist just did his work on the same board. There is no other paper on it. I thought it felt different because I was thinking it was different because of the background which is all colored. So dumb. Sorry. This is obviously an accomplished artist, so now where do I go to find who signs his/her work with the rust colored M in the outline? Thank you.
     
  7. alynnfin

    alynnfin Well-Known Member

    Wow, moreotherstuff. Right on. Thank you all! Could it not be his and he did two, not totally satisfied with one? It is extremely similar but not the same. Someone did it and it does have his signature. I like mine better than the other one, actually. Why would the color lightly come off on tissue? I guess lithographs and photogravures do have color that will rub off. Will I have to take it to an art dealer? Wish I was educated in art! Never had the money or time when I was younger for it.
     
  8. alynnfin

    alynnfin Well-Known Member

    What does broad white orders mean? Can't be real and he did two?
     
  9. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    If this is all one sheet, then the white surrounding the central image is borders.

    If you want a more definitive answer, I think you will need to take it to someone who can assess it hands-on. At least they should be able to tell you if it is an original drawing or a reproduction.

    I don't know why color would come off, but you can't get around that Oestreicher did art reproductions.

    I suppose it could still be a copy, but if so, it should say so and not include Maillol's signature.

    It is possible the artist did more than one drawing of the same subject. Given the differences between your image and that on Wikipedia, and assuming them both to have originated with Maillol, it would have to be true. Ultimately, there's only so much that can be told from online pictures.
     
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  10. alynnfin

    alynnfin Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much! I will. Now figure out how to find someone to do that for me.
     
  11. alynnfin

    alynnfin Well-Known Member

    Where or how do I look for a reputable what...art dealer and how do I find one? How much can they cost, do you know? This is totally new territory for me.
     
  12. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    I don't know. A nearby gallery or museum probably.
     
  13. alynnfin

    alynnfin Well-Known Member

    Will do. Thanks.
     
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    moreotherstuff Izorizent

  15. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I never saw a notification of the tag earlier in this thread. Looks like it is pretty well worked out.
     
  16. Lithographer

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  17. alynnfin

    alynnfin Well-Known Member

    So a lithograph after all. Well, I was not sure about the rubbing off of color, as it didn't rub off much color, but I thought it was because he sprayed something on it to seal it. It is lovely. Thank you all.
     
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