Featured please help to identify tea set

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by wanderer, Jan 29, 2022.

  1. wanderer

    wanderer Member

    So it is Japanese Satsuma (Awata) technique (basing on close up images)? What about the shape of the tea pot - Meiji period?
     
  2. Francisco G Kempton

    Francisco G Kempton Well-Known Member

    It lacks the colour and fine crackle. I have gotten into arguments about this, as it is a touchy area and is not a set rule, however I am going to quote Gothenborg.

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    That us the start of the introduction to satsuma on Gothenborg.

    https://www.gotheborg.com/marks/satsuma.shtml

    The equisite beauty of finely crackled and yellowish earthenware that Gothenborg is referring is really beautiful, it is hard to articulate but when you hold one you will instanly appreciate it, bearing in mind some are better than others and even this is open to interpretation and prone to different opinions. There are some fine examples of Awata that really glorify this. However Gotheborg is likley being general.

    I guess this is hermeneutics versus Structualism/Postmodernism and it can lead to disagreements.

    Your mark is not handdrawn but appears it is stamped, the crackle is not fine, and the colour is too white . Not good in my opinion, almost irrelevant
    artistically.

    Then again and this important, it doesn't really matter all that much in relation to period or importance of the artist that made it, or it quality.

    Kinkozan, one of the most famous and a greatest Satuma makers in the world, made some very rudimentary looking awata ware, that bears his mark.Some of his awata teapots next to his finely painted scenes from his more famous work could not contrast more. Even among awata satsuma his work does not stand out to me.

    Importantly Kinkozan and other artists began to experiment around the Meiji period with many artistic flares and your teapot does look like something like this. It has merit, however whether it is Meiji or showa, and or a famous artist..I dont know. The mark looks showa period not meiji, but no resaon it cannot be meiji.

    I think the best approach from here is to indetify the backmark. It is a good artist work.
     

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  3. janetpjohn

    janetpjohn Well-Known Member

    It's because the Japanese word for four--shi--also means death. There are a lot of superstitions I can't remember, but never give a potted plant to a Japanese person. The roots going into the ground symbolize death. Cut flowers are good.
     
  4. wanderer

    wanderer Member

    Thank you for your reply, Francisco G Kempton. I thought that cracks on this set might be described as “fine” as they are small (cups are only 4.5 cm x 6.5 cm and teapot size is 13.5 cm x 7 cm). However, after your explanation I might need to do more reading and to try to find more close-up Satsuma images.
    I am asking now my colleagues with Japanese and Chinese background to translate the mark and hopefully with their help I will find the artist name.

    Thank you to all Antique Forum members for their help and willingness to share knowledge and wisdom.
     
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  5. Francisco G Kempton

    Francisco G Kempton Well-Known Member


    Here is a typical Awata satsuma vase, you wont be able to see the cracks they are so fine, and when you have iut in yoru hand, you will appreciate it's beauty.

    I have good selection of Awata and they really are lovely to behold. Alsp notice the colour.

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