Featured Potties,Indian or Mexican ?

Hi all. I almost passed this over as the bottom made me think resin,but it rings like ceramic and smells like raku. I see "CG" but no search results under Native American or Mexican. I tried google images and tineye too . I just want yall to know I really do try before asking ! Any input is appreciated

 

There is one like it identified as Carol Grace Loretto, Jemez. Don't know if it's right but might be a starting point.

https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/1013453470/vintage-carol-grace-loretto-jemez-pueblo?ref=share_v3_lx

 

Id say you got it ! How ??? What did you use ??? Im really developing a complex about not finding things ! Thank you so much SiS !

 

I used Google Lens but I do have a black pot with the avanyu figure by a San Ildefonso potter so I was curious too as the base doesn't look like I'd have expected.

 

The bottom, with the saw marks, looks more like resin than ceramic. The fact that there are at least two viturally identical is also suspicious. It may be an imitation of Santa Clara Pueblo style pottery:

 

See i thought that too but it feels and rings like ceramic?

 

I don't know what to think of this piece. Others like it, also signed the same, are all over the internet with the same ID but we know how that goes. There are also others signed differently with her name and that are a bit different.

This one looks like clay but looks a bit bubbly.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/921376842/vintage-jemez-pottery-jar?gpla=1&gao=1&



Different signature said to be hers.
https://www.blackrockgalleries.com/...-american-red-clay-pottery-vessel-179853.html

 

those bubbles look like resin to me....
or at least some kind of molded item..

 

Could it perhaps be clay but made from a mold, repeatedly and cheaply?

I thought that if there were lots of bubbles in the clay that when it was fired it would explode... 'spalling' it's called.

 

Smells like Raku? Is that an expression or meant literally? I need to know before I start sniffing my pottery like a crazy person lol.

 

First I admit to smelling pottery sometimes. It often does smell like dirt and if I suspected resin I would look for a plastic smell. I also want to use most senses, I want to feel it, look at it, I will sometime lightly tap it to hear it, smell it and if evaluating a small bit of broken pot, apply it to my tongue to see if it sticks to see if it's vitrified. I think I am a little crazy though so there is that.

I've been looking at the book Southwestern Pottery Anasazi to Zuni where it discusses Jemez. They went through some changes and hard times with their potting and even used some greenware back in the '60s before going through much experimenting. They show one pot made by Carol Loretto from the 90s (doesn't say Carol Grace so could be a different potter I suppose) however of a different type than the carved pot, more like the second signed pot I posted above. No signatures or bases are shown.

Maybe Taupou can help.@Taupou

 

I have a pot that I am going to post for info later. It has the same striations on the bottom if I look closely in the right light.They don't show because they are not as pronounced or blackened. I would gather it is from the tool they use to even up the bottom. I wet a patch on the bottom and dried it off. the wet spot remains as I suspected. I have resin piece. I wet it and dried it off and there is no sign of the wet spot as I also suspected. If it was ceramic there would also not be a wet spot after wiping off. You might try wetting the inside of the pot and see if the wet spot is still noticeable if it is it is probably clay.

 

Pottery made on a wheel may have striations on the bottom, caused by the wire the potter draws underneath the vessel to remove it from the wheel. They usually form an arc, rather then running straight across like the ones on Johnny's pot.

Traditional Pueblo pottery is not made on a wheel. The last photo in say_it_slowly's last post shows what the bottom should look like on a genuine pot.

 

Apparently the price tag was placed over this spot ,im sure not to disguise the chip ! Its definitely clay.Thank you all so much,this has turned into an interesting discussion !

 

I did not realize my level of ignorance on Pueblo pottery. Their post as so symmetrical that i would have thought they were done a wheel after toomanybooks comment i wanted to find out how they made them so well. Great video on You tube. I did not realize they used the bottom part of a gourd to give the rounded bottom . The video is excellent. Thank you too many books for your comment that piqued my interest. I always love to learn. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=pueblo+po...i=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyHL7kF_c0o