Featured Incredible Very Old Painting

Yes, the foreshortening is funky. You can compare with the seated figure in the Jacomin painting to see why here, once again, he's the superior painter.

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It's a print.

 

That sounds likely to me too. It doesn't make my nose twitch like even a genre painting would. No brush strokes up close either. My guess is this was made in the 1950s for sale in a furniture gallery.

 

I agree that the panel doesn't seem right. It does look thin, but not too thin for plywood. OP hasn't answered my question.

A good clear close up might resolve the question of whether it's a print. I'm not seeing dots. Show me where you see them.

 

It may just be from blowing it up. I totally agree however that the frame is a LOT older than the picture from what I can see. The back panel has no oxidation.

 

on this pic i saw many dots around the red cape , also the right side of blue curtains where the painting ends and where frame begins shows weird spots when i used my laptop. But i cant see the dots now i use the Phone. This is why i said its maybe a pixel problem

 

I thought you meant there were dots all over, not just a few here & there. The analysis is still on.

 

The dots may be artifacts of the image capture or compression and saving. A closeup photo is really needed to answer the question about whether there are dots indicating this is a print.

 

I see what you mean, but agree with others that it might just be a quality of the digitized image. We need the close up.


This detail looks very like a painting to me, though the character has, to my mind, a suspiciously Asiatic face:

 

Not only the red cape but i saw the dots also the other places like the face of the man the curtain etc. Because i have totaly no knowledge nothing i asked could it be printed or is it a picture thing

i had read somewhere that there was a time when ordinary people bought paintings that were actually prints with a dab of paint here and there to get the feeling that they were hanging a real painting on their wall...

plz ignore me i really do know nothing

 

Yes, there were (and are) prints that are paint-enhanced to give them texture. Highlighted or embellished.

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Your comment is valid. We need to hear from OP.

 

I suspect the OP isn't answering questions because he doesn't actually have the print/painting in his possession. All of his photos are 'screen shots'. . .probably taken from someone's advertisement.

 

I think you were right to point out the dots. It's something that should be looked for. In this case though, the nature of them looks more like a digital imaging artifact from limited color depth (i.e. a limited color palette) or heavy compression. But I could be wrong, and they might exist on the object itself, depending on how it was made (if it was made, not painted).

 

Since I don't own the piece, it'll be a second before I can go back and get the details. A problem I run into on here is the very low 1MB image limit, so I have to compress all my images since they're always over 1 MB. I hope to have some answers to your questions soon.

 

Also, building on what someone earlier said, I found another piece by Jacomin that had an extremely similar depiction of a man in the original I posted.

 

As such, Asian-looking faces on antique Dutch (presumably) paintings do occur.
There were many relationships between Dutch East India Company employees of rank with Asian women. Because of their knowledge of both cultures and languages, the children born from these relationships were deemed essential for good relations with the local rulers in the colonies, especially during the early period.
To this day, many prominent Dutch families are descendants of these marriages and other relationships, including members of the Dutch royal family.

An example, Simon van der Stel, governor of the Cape, who was part Indian. Portrait by Pieter van Anraedt:



He looks even more Asian in this detail of another painting, a copy of a lost original by Jan Weenix:

 

I see not just prominent Dutch families, here is a prominent Aussie. (OMG, there's no getting away from us!)
Commodore Don Dezentjé of the Royal Australian Navy:



The Dezentjés are descendants of an Indian physician to a Sri Lankan court. The family moved to Java, and intermarried with the who is who of Dutch colonial society, including a princess of the Surakarta court of Central Java. It is also likely that they have some Asian slavery-related ancestry, as did van der Stel.

 

And then there's...



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Who is that?