THRIFT STORE FINDS - ARE THESE FINE ART? KORANYI GABOR, BUCHI UPJOHN + 3 NEED HELP w/SIGNATURES

Discussion in 'Art' started by journeymagazine, Nov 12, 2021.

  1. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

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  2. antidiem

    antidiem Well-Known Member

    agreed
     
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  3. Factor

    Factor New Member

     
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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I like the Upjohn one.:) And I agree, a better lot than most you've bought.

    With the name Korányi Gábor, Gábor is his first name, Korányi his surname. Hungarians sign with their surname first, they also introduce themselves that way.
     
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  5. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    What style are these? What would I call the garcia & Lindner prints (lithos?) - what should I call the bronze face (modernist?)
     
  6. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    The Lindner is a litho. It appears to be an open edition off set litho of decorative value only but it’s a great image.

    Garcia describes himself as a surrealist but I sure don’t. I think he owes more to cubism than surrealism LOL. If I hadn’t read anything I’d describe the work as contemporary cubist modernist but that’s just my take. I like him.

    All art doesn’t necessarily fall into a clean ism. First and foremost he’s contemporary.
     
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  7. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    Respectfully that is not my definition in today’s art world although it is a dictionary definition. There are sadly millions of trained skilled artists who are not considered fine artists. Fine art today is defined by institutional collectability and secondary market art auction history.

    Defining an artist as a fine artist for sure includes gray areas but if the artist shows art house auction records and is in museum collections the term is definitely valid. IMO if the artist is merely trained and talented the term is a stretch but is probably no more vague than millions of other abused definers.

    Lindner for one is a fine artist but your litho is not fine art.
     
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  8. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    What about just cubist modernist? I admit I don't know but when I hear contemporary art I think general landscapes or seascapes etc for behind a couch or just generic decoration art?
     
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  9. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    Use Contemporary Cubist Modernist. The guy IS a contemporary artist and contemporary art is what the hottest museums in the world collect. Remember that he refers to his work as surreal (but I sure don’t see that) so I guess that’s OK too. You are respectfully absolutely wrong in your definition of contemporary art. Contemporary art is basically the art of the current day and usually about living artists although not exclusively. Many expand contemporary art to the art of post WWll. Jasper John e.g. is a contemporary artist, still making art at 91 although he’s also associated with other isms. What you’re describing re: the couch is Decorator Art.

    Go search closed contemporary auctions at Christies, Sothebys and Phillips. Christies last contemporary sale grossed over 219 million and that stuff will hang behind some equally expensive couches.
     
  10. Lithographer

    Lithographer Well-Known Member

    I found a listing for the Lindner lithograph. It said the title is Red Head. Done in 1969 or 1970. Edition of 120. I see yours is numbered lower left. On arches paper. Publisher was Transworld Art. It was on 1stdibs. It looks like a traditional stone lithograph to me, however a good close look with a magnifier will tell you.
     
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  11. say_it_slowly

    say_it_slowly The worst prison is a closed heart

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  12. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    TY so much. I agree and totally missed that it was numbered! Didn’t see it.

    @journeymagazine Ignore everything I said about the Lindner print. IMO it is a fine art stone litho and definitely has value. Slapping myself. Missed the number completely. Apologies! Please always mention if a print is numbered when you’re describing it. For Lindner his name is enough but also use POP and if course the title of the print.
     
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  13. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    Someone got a steal on that. IMO the estimate was spot on.

    I recently saw a litho I wanted at an estate sale by another artist. It was priced at $600 and I found a comp on LiveA for $150 also. They wouldn’t budge.

    I don’t know what it sold for but i went back the next day and it was gone so Ifigured it still went for at least $400.
     
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  14. rink28

    rink28 Well-Known Member

    They don't sell for much more than that. You will see high asking prices all around.
     
  15. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    I wouldn’t let a Lindner print go for $150. Just saw a nice one priced at $450.
     
  16. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    He’s a bit out if fashion these days but there are still collectors. He was an early art love for me. Even his old Arturo poster goes for more than that and it’s an open edition.
     
  17. Lithographer

    Lithographer Well-Known Member

    I went to a sale with a bunch of lower end Calder prints, people were paying 2 or 3 times what they were worth. It was like a Black Friday sale feeding frenzy. I hope these people eventually realize their mistakes and give up trying to flip art and let the serious collectors do their thing.
     
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  18. reader

    reader Well-Known Member

    I totally agree. I know a dealer who sells after death major artist prints. Signed and numbered. High quality but all after death signed with weird numbering on the mats and artist sigs in the plate.They go for $400-$1000. Morons think they’re buying real Basquiats, Harings, etc. It should be illegal IMO.

    Then there was a sale with (again, should be illegal) with actual paintings by every contemp great you can name. Good signed paintings. Most about $70-from a film. Guy bought a Fasquiat (sic) and flipoed it to someone waiting to get it for $800. Couldn’t believe it-people are crazy!
     
  19. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    Don't feel like the lone ranger - I didn't see it either!
     
  20. journeymagazine

    journeymagazine Well-Known Member

    I sent a email with photos of the painting and signature to Buchi Upjohn (@gmail.com as his site says) and told him I'd just purchased it but looking at his latest works on his website noticed he signed the ones shown with his full name while mine only had his last name - and was it one of his paintings.
    I got a one sentence response at around 630am today which said - Charles please call me and a number with a Atlanta area code, but when I called (around 8am) I got a recording that said the person couldn't be reached and hadn't set up their voicemail yet. Twice today.
    So I explained what happened in a reply to his email along with my phone number - but nothing so far... weird.
     
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