What Is This Hindu Piece?

Discussion in 'Antique Discussion' started by kardinalisimo, Nov 29, 2018.

  1. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

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    Any idea what this is?
     
  2. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Strikes me more as Buddhist than Hindu. Maybe a sutra on the back. @Any Jewelry is the place to start.
     
  3. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    Thai script, from what I can make out.
     
  4. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Thanks. It looks old but I’m suspicious that it’s not.
     
  5. Ownedbybear

    Ownedbybear Well-Known Member

    I agree. That wear is too deliberate.
     
  6. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Difficult to say which of the many South and Southeast Asian Devanagari scripts it is, but it looks suspicious to me as well.
     
  7. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    with those big ears it could be Ganesh
     
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  8. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Something is broken away right in the middle of the face. A trunk, perhaps?
     
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  9. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    So, what are you supposed to do with this piece? Hang it on the wall? All I can find are small Thai clay pendants, nothing with reverse script and burlap wrapping.
     
  10. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Suspend it in a way that allows easy access to both sides.
     
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  11. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    I meant like what was the original idea behind it?
     
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  13. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    But this is too big to be worn as amulet.
     
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    A Thai Buddha amulet (Thai: พระเครื่อง; RTGS: phrakhrueang), often referred to academically as "votive tablet"
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I am not sure we should focus on Thailand.
    Pity we can't discern the script, which could be any of the many Devanagari scripts. Thai is what people know, because it is a tourist paradise. But different versions of Devanagari script are used from India to the Philippines. Picking just one of them could mean we never find out what this is.
    My first thought as well, but the meditative posture is unusual for Ganesha.
    Ganesha is a Hindu deity. The Thai, like many mainland Southeast Asians, are mainly Buddhist. The Hindus in Thailand are of Indian origin, which would rule out Thai script. Hindus all over the world favour Sanskrit for religious texts.
    Indonesian Hinduism incorporates some Buddhist elements, but this doesn't look Indonesian to me either.
     
  16. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Posted on the Indochine FB group.
    Seems like not a very active place but hope someone to come with a comment.
     
  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    You never know. Will you keep us posted?
     
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  18. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    I will. I’ll also try to contact few other places that have articles about Thai votive tablets.
     
  19. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Someone from the groups suggested that it is a Somdej Toh replica amulet. However, replica usually means an exact copy. So, untill I find and identical one, it’s still unsolved mystery.
     
  20. AuDragon

    AuDragon Well-Known Member

    Hi kardinalisimo. I see this thread has been running for a while now but I am happy to add my observations. I think the knowledge and collective wisdom of the group has pretty much identified this, so I am improbably just offering a summary.
    My Thai friend immediately identified it as the Thai language, but it is quite eroded and difficult to read. It appears to tell a story "about a monk who went and did something special", but other than that it's hard to decipher. (anyone have a micro spectrometer, blue light or x-ray machine?)
    I also know this as a votive tablet (thanks inh) and they are quite common in Thailand. The size is unusual, as most votives are designed to be worn around the neck or encased in plastic and then worn. I still see many people wearing votives in the course of their normal day. But I have also seen votives this large in the markets and street stalls. It could have been designed to be worn around the waist, carried in a cloth shoulder bag most monks have or hung on string in the temple. It could also have been used in one of the spirit houses you see in most yards and properties in Thailand.
    The woven canvas edges and string that are designed to protect the votive are clearly worn, its a shame they didn't protect the front and back a little more. Again, there are many votives that are wrapped with string, twine or wire for protection.
    The damage on the front and back could also be caused by constant movement. As traders go from market to market, these items are often just dumped into a basket with lots of other similar items and then tossed into the back of a car for transport.
    At some point, it looks to me like it has been in water, although the Thais are very clever at "aging" items like this. The fairly consistent covering of that "ochre mud" colouring is a worry, as it looks slightly too even to my eye, but it does show some age in the way it has worn and weathered, exposing the cement body.
    These types of votives are not always one-off carved originals. Some are carved into a wooden or clay mould (which is dried), and several impressions are taken by pouring cement or other substances into the mould which has been lined with grease to allow the votive to be removed easily.
    I thought Ganesha traditionally had four arms, so I think the image is a rather badly carved Buddha, especially the ears. However, the image is in the traditional Thai meditation position (The Meditating Buddha - Pang Samti) which represents Thursday and he is also holding a bowl which signifies compassion and caring for all beings. Monks don't beg for food, but they accept alms from the local population. Which makes me wonder if this was made by a monk as a blessing of compassion? I hope this helps a little. (Cited from: https://www.antiquers.com/threads/what-is-this-hindu-piece.32743/#post-433688)
     
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