Frantisek Cermak Painting

Discussion in 'Art' started by kardinalisimo, Dec 13, 2018.

  1. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    19BAEB78-AB16-409F-98CD-8BB1EC920334.jpeg FF906BA0-82DC-48F2-ABBF-458401958EA7.jpeg A149BC8D-E031-4E03-A6FC-5EBA8131CBD3.jpeg 7D73B937-F1C3-4EAA-A658-9C671E275C3D.jpeg Saw this today and liked it a lot but was a bit pricey and not sure if profit can be made. Plus, few things bother me.
    Comparing the siggy with other online, the artist is supposed to be Frantisek Cermak, 1822-1884.
    However, I just don’t feel the painting being 19th C. Also, the note on the back is obviously not by tge artist but why his name is signed in a similar manner as in his artworks.
    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Frantisek. It helps to start with a correct spelling of the name. Looks like he signed Fr. Cermak.
     
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  3. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    Sorry, name fixed. My phone’s keyboard’s too small and I misspelt.
     
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  4. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    The very bright colors are out of keeping with his work or the 19th century generally. Even if this is a painting and not a print of some type, it's a copy.
     
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  5. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    It’s a painting. Why would someone do a copy of not that famous artist? I wonder if there was a later artist with that name and maybe a lot of the works online are wrongfully attributed.
     
  6. Fid

    Fid Well-Known Member

    I wonder a bit if the copyist didn't confuse Frantisek (or Franz for the Austrians) with Jaroslav, both from Prague; brighter colors, more Balkans influence and subjects etc..
    both lived in an era when oriental beauties were en vogue and easily in reachable distance in the Habsburg Empire.
     
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  7. kardinalisimo

    kardinalisimo Well-Known Member

    BBB7B467-2C35-4ADA-8B2D-5662FAB7FAD7.jpeg After seeing more examples online, gotta be a copy.
     
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  8. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    'After' Frantisek Cermak, I'd say.
    Both paintings are situated in the Balkans, where Frantisek made several paintings.
    The costume on both is either Kosovo, Albania or Macedonia, which were all just south of the Austro-Hungarian border in Ottoman occupied Europe. There was regular travel across the border.

    There was a time when the Ottoman Turks prohibited music and dance in their part of the Balkans. The people would dance inside.
    That is when those heavy coin necklaces came into being. The coins would clunk when the women were dancing. That would be their music, but it wouldn't be heard outside the house.
     
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  9. Matei Puticiu

    Matei Puticiu New Member

    My family also has paintings by Fr. Cermak witch are dated mostly after 1920. I believe it must be another painter, not the one we can find info on wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/František_Čermák_(painter).
    Our paintings were bought from Arad - Romania, a city right next to Hungary.
     
  10. Matei Puticiu

    Matei Puticiu New Member

  11. Vlatko Milosevski

    Vlatko Milosevski New Member

    Dear Matei, I am Vlatko, I am writing a book called "Foreign Painters in Macedonia 1850-1950" , I would like to publish the photos from form Cerman from your collection in the book. I also have the web site: www.artlexicon.mk. I would like to put the photos there too. Can we please get in touch ? My email is DELETED


    Thank you
     
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  12. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    @Vlatko Milosevski

    Please use the Private Conversation option. I’ve deleted your email address.

    Click the Avatar of the person, then click Start Conversation.
     
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  13. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

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  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    You're right, but I think Vlatko was addressing @Matei Puticiu .:)
     
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  15. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    I know you were addressing Matei, but I took the liberty of looking at your site. Very informative, and beautiful paintings.
     
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  16. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    This is the only thread that Matei ever took part in, and that was more than a year ago.
     
  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    True, hopefully he will see an alert for a PM, if Vlatko sends one.
     
  18. Boland

    Boland Well-Known Member

    Agreed. Very impressive..
     
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