Japanese Teapot Mark identification HELP!

I apologize for the pics of the paper that’s stuck ( around) the the actual stamp , it’s really stuck! Thanks y’all for any help!

 

go back to edit...and click on full image for your photo's......please.

 

Hope that’s better

 

I hope that’s better - sometimes when I hit full image it says it’s too big

 

It's Japanese Kutani ware, early 20th century. I don't recognise the mark, and it's poorly written, best guess at the first character being 玉 and the final character is zo (created) 造. In your images the close up of the mark is upside down.

 

Satsuma?

 

Satsuma is a style of Japanese earthenware that was produced in Satsuma, Osaka, Kyoto, Kobe, Kagoshima and Tokyo. Satsuma vases often come in pairs and are elaborately decorated with gold leaf and crackled glaze.

Satsuma vases generally depict Japanese themes including scenes of court life, legends and artistic values. Dating Satsuma vases takes time and practice -- particularly if you're not familiar with the Japanese language -- as the bottom of Satsuma vases are marked with Japanese characters which indicate place names and/or a family crest.

 

It is lovely, GreenEyed. I have a soft spot for Kutani ware.

How is this Satsuma?

 

This piece is Kutani, not Satsuma, although the painting style is similar in this case.

 

Katani marks on porcelain:
Kutani Marks On Porcelain - Bing images

Satsuma marks on porcelain:
Satsuma Ware Marks - Bing images
notice the gold and read marks.

 

I searched for red and gold Katani marks and one picture turned up. I clicked on it and was lead back to this site asking about for identification.

 

another one I clicked on in the Kararni page, lead me to another website asking about the mark and one reply was this:

Potties, please help with Japanese mark, Kutani?



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‎09-29-2013 03:19 AM

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Look on the Gotheborg site under Nagoya and you will find your mark.

 

It isn't the mark which determines what is Satsuma and what is Kutani. Satsuma is earthenware, Kutani is porcelain, and it is also a regional difference with true Satsuma being produced in the Kagoshima region under the control of the Shimazu clan and Kutani being from Kaga prefecture (although there were decorators who bought blanks from both regions and decorated them). You can find Satsuma painted more in the Kutani style and Kutani painted in the Satsuma style.

It is not common to find Kutani with a lozenge mark, but they are plenty around and I have sold many over the years.

This piece is definitely Kutani!

 

I just did another search and ended up on this page which gives several Satsuma PORCELAIN marks. The wording is different on each but they are all gold writing on read, and the name Satsumsa appears in the description.
Asian Art & Antiques Collection of Lita Xú Líng Kelley: Japanese Porcelain Marks (litaxulingkelley.blogspot.com)

 

Satsuma PORCELAIN:
satsuma porcelain - Bing images

 

Tahmoor, I know you are new to antiques (your introductory thread), so this may help you: The trick is, to look at the style of an item first. Then start looking at the details, are they in keeping with your first impression, etc.

Another thing that may help is: Don't shout (caps) at people with decades of experience in Japanese ceramics, or any other field of knowledge.

 

If you click on the photos, you will find they are of pottery. For instance, this is the first photo in your link:

https://www.grahamsmithantiques.com...archive-c42/japanese-satsuma-pottery-bowl-p78

The thing about googling is, if you type a wrong term, they will give you the right things, and vice versa. Especially the latter.

 

As @Any Jewelry says, the search was for porcelain, but the images are all of pottery. It's easy to mislabel something in error, or get the meta data wrong on a web post. Bing/Google doesn't know whether the item is pottery or porcelain, it just returns results which are labelled as such. Also the ai back end correction on search engines means they will often assume you meant 'pottery' even if you search porcelain in cases like this.

Lita's porcelain page just doesn't split things out, so she has mixed Satsuma, Kutani, pottery and porcelain and modern ceramics which are neither all on the same page. She certainly knows the difference herself and I guess she assumes people using her info will also know the difference, it's very easy to tell the difference between earthenware and porcelain.

Here's LAPADA's basic intro to Satsuma, specifically of interest for you is the paragraph headed 'Earthenware'.

https://lapada.org/guides/guide-to-collecting-japanese-satsuma-ware/