Two questions with a link between

Question 1: Does anybody have a list of Marques or a chart with a timeline between the Marques relating to 'Salins-les-Bains' in Lorraine. The only place I know of is the Karmason Library, which is private:



Question 2: What is the difference, if any, between Barbotine and Majolica? I've always thought 'discrete' for the first, and 'Majolica' as being 'in your face'. But it could just be the French not relinquishing the the process to the Spanish.

Barbotine:



No household should be without one of these during Wimbledon fortnight.

Majorica:



Thank you.

 

Yes. That's the third word, and the first to be coined. I think it was Wedgwood that took against it, and Palissy was long gone to put up any defence. But then where does Majolica come in, because in looks, there is very little to differentiate it from Palissy (or is there)?

 

I thought majolica refers to pottery with tin glaze or lead glaze, whereas barbotine is slipware, so decorated with a clay substance.

 

Is this all about Nationalism and cult of the personality?

As usual, I think you are spot on. Thanks @Any Jewelry

 

I think you are referring to these sentences:

"Palissy was the mother of what is now called Majolica."
"Majolica which is the evolution of Palissy ware"
"Majolica, a name birthed from Palissy"

Yes, that would be French chauvinism on the part of the author.
Of course majolica was already made in 15th century Italy, and was made in other parts of Europe before Palissy made his wondrous 'fishy pieces' in the mid-late 16th century.

 

It doesn't say who the author is, but the company is owned by an American family named Fargason, which looks like an alternative spelling of Ferguson, a Scottish name.
Maybe the false information is a result of the 'Auld Alliance', the historic bond between Scotland and France?

 

These Wikipedia articles are actually helpful in sorting out the terminology:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majolica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maiolica
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palissy_ware

The technology of tin glazed pottery goes back at least to early medieval Islamic artisans. It appears that they were attempting to reproduce the effect of blue-on-white porcelains traded from China. Lacking the basic ingredients for porcelain, they instead created the opaque white tin glaze, applied to lower fired earthenware and decorated with colored enamels. The technology spread with Islam, to Spain and Sicily, from which it was introduced to Italian artisans.


https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5358678

 

Yes, that is where the Europeans got tin glaze from, not from Palissy, who lived much later. For those early Islamic wares the term proto-majolica is used, rather than majolica.

There is also a theory that Chinese blue and white wares were inspired by Persian blue and white. I wouldn't be surprised if the Persians were first, they were in many fields.

 

Thank you. I'm pleased I asked that question, I'm sure I'm not the only to have learned or will learn from it. But I still don't have a source for Salins-les-Bains Pottery Marques. I will have to see if the Karmason Library will come across with the information.