Featured Help Id Silver plaque with coat of arms engraved

Discussion in 'Silver' started by Gianluca72, Aug 13, 2018.

  1. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    Chinese silver got hot for a while, and then Indian/Colonial pieces - at least in the UK and the country of origin. North African may be next!
     
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  2. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Excuse me I don't understand what you mean, can you explain it better ?
    Thanks for your time
     
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  3. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    As long as your item is properly described, and listed on a selling site to the proper audience who have interest, it should sell quickly and for a fair price, I would imagine. ;)
     
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  4. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Ahhhh ok ok
    This sounds good lol
     
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  5. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    @i need help @Any Jewelry @Figtree3

    Can I please use some phrase of you, that I read here, for a nice description ?
    What I learned here, through you, helps me to describe better the item on sell :)

    For respect I ask the permission first

    Gianluca
     
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  6. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    I think AnyJewlery, is best to help you with this description. I am not familiar with these objects. I learned about this along with you. :) So wait for AJ. ;)
     
  7. evelyb30

    evelyb30 Well-Known Member

    "Big chunk of silver" probably isn't much help. :)
     
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  8. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    No no I have already prepared the description, I Unit best comments of you all for a good description and I add my own too.
    I was asking the permission to use some sentences of you all that you wrote already inside this thread, to optimize the content
     
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  9. i need help

    i need help Moderator Moderator

    Fine to use anything I said, as long as it was accurate :confused:, as I just learned about this here, thank you for asking.
     
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  10. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?


    @Gianluca72 I just looked through this thread,and none of my posts here had any information about this piece. So, maybe you are thinking of a different item?

    I changed this post because I can't give permission when I did not write anything useful!
     
    Last edited: Aug 30, 2018
  11. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Ah ah you're right lol

    But your presence was useful at the same :)
     
  12. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    hoping not to bore you, I forward the description, trusting in your opinion :)

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    Libya: a very rare, large, disc-shaped headdress of the Bedouin women in Libya,
    made in pure silver, known as ‘Salha’ or ‘Turraha’.

    With two hallmarks from the city of Tripoli.

    These large ornamental discs made of silver were worn on the head of Bedouin women in Libya for their wedding.

    It features a fully hand-chased design of birds laid on branches and long curled leaves

    With an old typical Phoenician/Berber fish symbol.
    The fish was important, it’s very prominent.

    It signifies fertility and abundance, and is often combined with birds, for the heavens

    I can see a configuration of الله, Allah, in the seals.

    Period : end of 19th century / start of 20th century circa

    Silver .900 or .925 : verified with Silver Acid Tester (please check the last photos)

    Typical of old Berber silver

    Diameter 16 cm

    Weight 140 g

    Safe packaging

    Registered Shipping
     
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  13. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Of course you can.
    I wouldn't say 'very rare'. We have found several, so it isn't very rare. Maybe rare.
    It wasn't worn by Bedouin women, it was worn by Berber women. Bedouins are Arabs, from the Middle East. Berbers are native North Africans.

    There is no evidence it was worn by brides. Other Berber silver jewellery was worn either daily or on special occasions. The first owner may have worn it to every feast and festival she visited, we don't know.
    A lot of jewellery was given as part of a dowry, before or during a wedding, but that doesn't mean it was only worn on a wedding day. Jewellery was also bought and given years before and years after a wedding, whenever there was money to be invested in finery, just like anywhere else.
    It is cast silver, from a mold.
    Best not add that, what I read is simply part of the seal of Tripoli, it is of no significance.
    We don't have a definite date for the seal. So far we can only deduce it is probably first half of the 20th century. For all we know the seal could still be used, we simply don't have proof.
    It is also typical of more recent Berber silver. The tested silver content speaks for itself, and in this case fineness is not proof of a specific period.

    Good luck!
     
  14. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    The ethnic jewellery market has been an ongoing collector's market for over a century. Due to French colonial presence, and the world's interest in anything the French were interested in, North African is a large chunk of that market. Another advantage is that North Africa is only a stone's throw from Europe, so familiar to many Europeans.
    The ethnic jewellery market is niche, but nice.;)
     
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  15. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Ahhhh wow I'll edit everything thanks a lot, for my lucky i find you
     
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  16. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    @Any Jewelry

    i've updated the description, following your tips

    Do you like it ?

    Libya: a rare, large, disc-shaped headdress of the Berber women in Libya,

    made in pure silver, known as ‘Salha’ or ‘Turraha’.

    With two hallmarks from the city of Tripoli.

    These large ornamental discs made of silver were worn on the head of Berber women in Libya either daily or on special occasions, probably by brides too.

    Cast silver, from a mold; It features birds laid on branches and long curled leaves

    With an old typical Phoenician/Berber fish symbol.

    The fish was important, it’s very prominent.

    It signifies fertility and abundance, and is often combined with birds, for the heavens

    We don't have a definite date for the seal.

    So far we can only deduce it is probably first half of the 20th century

    Silver .900 or .925 : verified with Silver Acid Tester (please check the last photos)

    Typical of Berber silver

    Diameter 16 cm

    Weight 140 g

    Safe packaging

    Registered Shipping
     
  17. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Good info, Gianluca.:)
    Isn't this sentence a bit complicated, and is it useful information? Try to read it as an outsider.
    It is a bit like: beautiful silk dress, can be worn by a young woman, mature woman or old aged pensioner, on a monday or a thursday. Wednesday is fine too.:D

    Sorry, didn't mean to make fun of you, but do you see what I mean?
    I can see how you came to it in the editing process, but it is just a bit contrived. I would leave it out. You already mentioned "headdress of the Berber women in Libya", that is perfect.
     
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  18. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    lol you're absolutely right :-D
    ok i have removed that sentence .
    Thanks so much for everything, i'm going to post it on auction, you got the best answer 100% :)
     
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  19. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    Thanks.:)
    Trying to read a listing as an outsider is always the best. It is very difficult, because certain things get stuck in your mind.

    I like your avatar picture, have you been digging for gold and gemstones?:D
     
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  20. Gianluca72

    Gianluca72 Well-Known Member

    Yessss I've metal detector too, but I'm a bit unlucky with findings

    Update : I post the item on auction and it was soon approved by the estimated Leonor Arnó Pons.
    For me, this is an additional value
     
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