Noritake vegetable bowl and gravy bowl- need a pattern expert

Hello antiquers!

We have this Japanese porcelain for you today, 2 kinds of bowls. Does anybody know these patterns well? We would like to know what kind it is.

Thanks!!

Attached links bc it won't let me upload

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6ABhigIniRRXzlYNnZNTjRyb3dKNDNFc2FySXFEWkVuY0RB

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6ABhigIniRRLUZIZzV5b25sdkhodXJBS0dHNFF1S01tU0dv

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B6ABhigIniRRSDAzQU1QaE9keEV2dVhYWXhtczNUUU1HYWFN

 

Second link was broken. Did it show the underside?

 

No, @Bakersgma, it was just another pic of the pattern. The underside mark looks JUST like this:

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-.../FvEpX21CTm8/s640/blogger-image-981288940.jpg

 

I wish that could help, but it doesn't, I'm afraid. Replacements has over 8000 pictured patterns, the number reduces only slightly by limiting the list to "gold trim."

My eyes can't take it. Especially since I can't figure out how to print out one of your pictures for reference while browsing. So many of the patterns are similar.

Sorry.

 

@Bakersgma .....if you have a printer......and save images in one place....you can RIGHT click on Studio Antiques image, then LEFT click to save it where you want to, then go to it and print it from whatever editing program you use (even just PAINT on your computer)!!! Hope that helps....if you have the needed printer!!

 

I checked my Noritake book (Early Noritake...by Aimee Neff Alden) and she identifies the mark as MM-39 and dates it to circa 1933. It's been my experience that if there is not a pattern name on the china itself it is very, very difficult to identify. To make matters worse urns of flowers were probably one of the most common Noritake motifs. You could spend hours scrolling through Replacements and still come up empty. Even if you do find it the pattern will only have a Replacements identifier code. And most patterns sell for modest sums at best. It's simply not worth the effort.
Don

 

The reason you can't upload pics is that the file sizes are way too big. There are lots of freebie programs (for your computer or your phone) that should let you save at a reasonable size without too much loss of detail.

Once you figure out how to do it, the entire process takes about 15 seconds per pic -- easy peasy and certainly worth learning!

 

@Bakersgma We are aware that there are thousands of patterns and it is not easy, but perhaps someone knows.
@dgbjwc Thanks! MM-39 is definitely a start, we just like to be as precise as humanly possible
@Jivvy We make sure to take the photos in a lower-resolution format, abt 2MP. The files usually come up as a few hundred Kb worth of info so there's no problem. Unfortunately there is sometimes the random error and when we can't figure it out, we just do it the google drive way.

Thanks for the help everyone!