Three bladed weapons and a projectile point

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  1. Hamburger

    Hamburger Absolute Beginner

    I'd be grateful for anything at all on these. As with my other posts, I don't have much background to offer. But I am told reliably that they have been in the family (in southern Germany) since at least the 1970s. Some -- possibly even all -- were bought in London in 1973.

    As always, thanks in advance for your comments. Please let me know if you're interested in more photos of any of the items.

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    A few more details of Weapon 1:

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  2. Hamburger

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    The projectile point:

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    Weapon 3:

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  3. Hamburger

    Hamburger Absolute Beginner

    Weapon 4:

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  4. Any Jewelry

    Any Jewelry Well-Known Member

    They could use some tlc, but they are nice and authentic imo.
    A beauty. Could be Ottoman Balkans, but let's wait for @komokwa .
    No idea, sorry.
    Amazing. Beautifully carved bone hilt, but no idea. Maybe mainland southeast Asia, colonial influenced, but again, we need komo for this one.
    A khoummya, a Berber dagger from Morocco. Looks like the hilt ring got stuck on the sheath?
     
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  5. ritzyvintage

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  6. Hamburger

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    Thank you both. It hadn't occurred to me that item two could be an arrow head. It seems a little long. I've amended the thread title so as not to jump the weapon!

    Indeed, AJ, they have not received much love or attention for some years.

    Oops!

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  7. ritzyvintage

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    No1. The 'flame-blowing dragon' on its blade is significant. Some examples on Google Images are described as being "hunting Bowie Knives"
     
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  8. ritzyvintage

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    Not too long for hunting. A spearhead perhaps? Maybe each piece is for hunting rather than being weaponry/military items?

    vintage hunting spearhead shapes - Bing images
     
  9. Hamburger

    Hamburger Absolute Beginner

    Thank you. That's a perfect example of how more experienced eyes can help others to see. I spent quite a lot of time with a magnifying glass and my photo software this morning, trying to make out text next to the 'feather' I thought I saw...

    So: 1906 -- which I am assuming is the year of manufacture -- and a fire-breathing dragon.
     
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  10. Any Jewelry

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    There you go! Happy hilt.:playful:
     
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  11. Any Jewelry

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    It could have been significant to the owner only.
    It is definitely not a Bowie knife, in any way. It is clearly an ethnic dagger with a tradition that pre-dates the Bowie knife, probably by a few centuries at least.

    Let's wait for komo, he knows about blades.:)
     
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  13. ritzyvintage

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    [QUOTE="Any Jewelry, post: 3647163, member: 2844"]It could have been significant to the owner only.

    It is definitely not a Bowie knife, in any way. It is clearly an ethnic dagger with a tradition that pre-dates the Bowie knife, probably by a few centuries at least.

    Let's wait for komo, he knows about blades.[/QUOTE]

    Yes. But it does seem to have a significance upon some vintage knife blades.

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  14. ritzyvintage

    ritzyvintage Well-Known Member

    Blade-shapes are also significant. As with like these for example. Also, some knives are purely ceremonial, or used for sacrificial purposes only.

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  15. Any Jewelry

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    The one in the picture is not a 'flame-blowing dragon', it is the sacred flaming sword of Manjushri, which happens to be depicted with a Makara gripping the blade.
    A Makara is a mythical sea creature in Hinduism and Buddhism, not a flame-blowing dragon.
    ritzy, you lived in Nepal for a while, surely you've seen both the flaming sword of Manjushri, and the Makara before.
     
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  16. Any Jewelry

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    Are you saying any of these weapons are from the Indian subcontinent?

    I will now leave this thread until komo replies, too many wild goose chases to correct, I don't have the energy to keep doing this.
     
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  18. Hamburger

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    Thanks. Is a there a thread here on antiquers.com (or indeed elsewhere) comparing and contrasting resources such as www.liveauctioneers.com?

    I've used WorthPoint and of course eBay sold listings, and on occasion local and specialist auctioneers. But folks here mention Catawiki, Etsy and others and it would be helpful to know a little about those sites' strengths, weaknesses and specialisms.
     
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  20. ritzyvintage

    ritzyvintage Well-Known Member

    NO! Not at all. I was merely demonstrating that blade-shapes can often determine a country of origin, and also their use, as so too can decorative features.
     
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