Featured Spherical iridescent glass scent bottle

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by MT Vessel, Dec 17, 2020.

  1. TraceyB

    TraceyB Well-Known Member

    @MT Vessel did you manage to get the stopper out and if so what method did you use?
    Tracey
     
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  2. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member

    I have had numerous apothecary jars with stuck stoppers. My understanding is that if the stopper has been there long enough it fuses. Glass is an amorphous solid and like old picture glass it flows. I read on the apothecary jars to try muriatic acid . I bought some but have never tried it. I guess you probably would not use the bottle so i guess safer to leave it as is.
     
  3. KikoBlueEyes

    KikoBlueEyes Well-Known Member

    Lark, I used to believe that glass flows too. I found out that it is a myth.
    "Does glass really flow over time?

    By studying a glob of 20 million-year-old amber, scientists have proven once and for all that glass does not flow. Some people claim that stained glass windows in old churches are thicker at the bottom than at the top because glass flows slowly like a liquid. ... But the myth that glass flows has persisted over time.May 8, 2013"

    From the Scientific American:
    "Glass, however, is actually neither a liquid—supercooled or otherwise—nor a solid. It is an amorphous solid—a state somewhere between those two states of matter. And yet glass's liquidlike properties are not enough to explain the thicker-bottomed windows, because glass atoms move too slowly for changes to be visible.

    Solids are highly organized structures. They include crystals, like sugar and salt, with their millions of atoms lined up in a row, explains Mark Ediger, a chemistry professor at the University of Wisconsin, Madison. "Liquids and glasses don't have that order," he notes. Glasses, though more organized than liquids, do not attain the rigid order of crystals. "Amorphous means it doesn't have that long-range order," Ediger says. With a "solid—if you grab it, it holds its shape," he adds.

    When glass is made, the material (often containing silica) is quickly cooled from its liquid state but does not solidify when its temperature drops below its melting point. At this stage, the material is a supercooled liquid, an intermediate state between liquid and glass. To become an amorphous solid, the material is cooled further, below the glass-transition temperature. Past this point, the molecular movement of the material's atoms has slowed to nearly a stop and the material is now a glass. This new structure is not as organized as a crystal, because it did not freeze, but it is more organized than a liquid. For practical purposes, such as holding a drink, glass is like a solid, Ediger says, although a disorganized one.

    Like liquids, these disorganized solids can flow, albeit very slowly. Over long periods of time, the molecules making up the glass shift themselves to settle into a more stable, crystallike formation, explains Ediger. The closer the glass is to its glass-transition temperature, the more it shifts; the further away from that changeover point, the slower its molecules move and the more solid it seems.

    Whatever flow glass manages, however, does not explain why some antique windows are thicker at the bottom. Other, even older glasses do not share the same melted look. In fact, ancient Egyptian vessels have none of this sagging, says Robert Brill, an antique glass researcher at the Corning Museum of Glass in Corning, N.Y. Furthermore, cathedral glass should not flow because it is hundreds of degrees below its glass-transition temperature, Ediger adds. A mathematical model shows it would take longer than the universe has existed for room temperature cathedral glass to rearrange itself to appear melted.

    Why old European glass is thicker at one end probably depends on how the glass was made. At that time, glassblowers created glass cylinders that were then flattened to make panes of glass. The resulting pieces may never have been uniformly flat and workers installing the windows preferred, for one reason or another, to put the thicker sides of the pane at the bottom. This gives them a melted look, but does not mean glass is a true liquid."
     
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  4. Iowa Jayhawk

    Iowa Jayhawk Well-Known Member

    Try ice water. Heat expands things, and cold should possibly contract it enough to separate.
     
  5. Lark

    Lark Well-Known Member


    thanks for the info and correction.
     
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