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Might be because New Amsterdam was quite a multi cultural melting pot already, the dutch brought with them a lot of french hugenots and walloons and other assorted persecuted minorities of other parts of europe.
Pennsylvania dutch is in fact pennsylvania german. Though there is still a large community of ultra conservative dutchies in michigan these days.

 

That always depends on the way they count. For instance, Dutch Indonesians count as 10% of the present day Dutch population, but that is only counting those who came over after WWII and their descendants. People like yours truly are ignored.

Always knew there was something iffy about you.
Interesting background, Bakers. Earlier this year I read 'A Journey into Mohawk and Oneida Country, 1634-1635', a translation of the journal of Harmen Meyndertsz van den Bogaert. Your 9th Great Grandparents may have known van den Bogaert, I believe he also went to Beverwyck.

 

I'm sure you are right, Opoe. I've got French Huguenots and "Norsemen" in the intermarriage mix back then too, on other lines.

 

I'm a distant cousin of Bogey! I have several Bogart/Bogaert's on my tree!

 

Exactly

 

This particular van den Bogaert could be a distant relative. Not a forefather, I seem to remember he was more interested in gents than ladies. Got him into trouble in those days of course.

 

Opoe beat me to it. What we call Pennsylvania Dutch are descendants of German immigrants from the 18th century. Many were refugees from the Palatine area of Germany, driven out by the French. They fled to England and Queen Anne 'gave' them land, mostly in the Hudson Valley, to colonize. When the Revolution started, the men were conscripted to fight for the British. When the war ended, they'd lost their land or went south and west. Some went to Canada. There was a large population outside of Quebec. Besides being a history buff, I'm also a descendant of the Canadian Germans who intermarried with the French Canadians.

 

Yes, it should really be Pennsylvania Deutsch.
I have no idea why the British called the inhabitants of the Low Countries Dutch. English is the only language that came up with such a confusing name.

 

Think about how the British butchered every language they came across. Bombay for Mumbai for example.

 

I think many languages do similar things. Trying to fit a foreign sounding name to suit one's own language. Florence was originally French for Firenze, and still is. The Dutch call Paris Parijs, and Berlin Berlijn.

 

Yeah, i hear you but they are all pretty much Germanic people, aren't they? Netherlanders, Swiss, Austrians?

 

A certain austrian landscape painter had a similar idea almost a century ago...

 

I like the term Netherlanders.
Actually, the Dutch are a mix of Germanic and Celtic, just like the British, Belgians, French.
The Germans have a bit of Celtic too, but their Celtic influence is largely Alpine, in the south. The Swiss and the Austrians are mostly Alpine Celtic.
The Danish, Swedish, Norwegians and Icelanders are probably the most Germanic.
The Spanish, by the way, also have a bit of Germanic, through the Visigoths. Let's call them Dutch.

 

And he was a Celt!
Funny how we Dutch always try to avoid the name of that particular person. I always call him the Austrian madman.

 

In a way all people are "dutch", as it means "the people", or at least the middle dutch word "diet" did of which duits, dutch and deutsch are variations.

 

lol, Yes! I think the dutch changed your national anthem after ww2 and deleted "i am of german blood" or some such. Kinda like my grandmother who had 2 sons who fought in WW2, one in europe who never returned home & my dad who fought in the south pacific. We were always told we were of german heritage but during the war, my grandmother somehow "became" an american indian and "remained" so until she died!

 

no it's still in there, together with that thing about honouring the king of Spain(there was a long war with spain back then), which made no sense then and it still doesn't... That duitsche blood thing could be refering to "dietse" blood which would have meant dutch not german at the time the anthem was written.

 

u didn't just say King of Spain, now did you...........ohhhhhh boy !!

 

uhhhhhhhhhhh, noooooooooooo. lol

 

It referred to William the Silent who was of the German Nassau family. The anthem is actually an ode to the guy, written in 1570. It is called the Wilhelmus, after William, who was called the Silent because he spoke a lot but said very little.
It remained an Orangist/royalist song during our history as the first modern republic, and became our national anthem in 1932, when it was decided we needed a different anthem.
The first line of the old one was "Those through whose veins flows Netherlands blood, free of foreign contamination". Not only highly discriminatory, but it is almost impossible to find someone of pure Dutch ancestry.
I agree we needed another one, but why this extremely Orangist/royalist ode? Why not something that unites everyone, including those who have always fought for the good old Dutch republican tradition, and their descendants. We were doing fine before royalty was forced upon us by outside forces.
I know, I'm off on one of my rants again, and as you may have guessed, I come from one of those old republican families who built our nation.