Thorn handled glass basket Victorian or newer

Trying to ID this thorn handled basket. I have seen them identified as Victorian from Brittish or American makers and newer by Italian makers. Any idea how to tell the age and or manufacturer?
TIA, Bryan

 

Can't help at all, but it's a nice looking basket.

 

And one person has one "pinned" as "Bohemian FRANZ WELZ" but with no other info, and it's a different color. sigh . . .

 

I have my doubts it is "Welz"

 

I was just coming back to say the same. LOL

 

Yeah . . . me too. The more I looked, the less likely it seemed.

 

My gut feel from the base, the colour and the stripes is newer, and not British. The handle is too thick for S&W or another Stourbridge maker, to me. Very pretty, nicely done, and I suspect Italian, mid to late 20th C.

 

first guess on the GreatGlass site is Welz but it is very early over there

 

This one was sold as new england glass company different handle and color but the body of the basket is awfully close
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-England...D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

 

Also getting a Welz ID on Vintage Glass group on FB

 

This is the reply on the Vintage Glass page on FB. TGhis guy seems like he knows what he is talking about, but I have trusted you guys for years. So what do you think?

Roger HaworthHere's basically the same basket (same shape, same distinctive crimp) in a spatter glass treatment. There's no question these are Bohemian -- there are illustrations of similar imported wares in Butler Brothers and other wholesaler's catalogs from about 1900. The question is which factory. Franz Welz seems to be the most probable, but documentation on many Bohemian factories is still scarce (although rapidly improving), at least in English. Just as a caveat -- you'll find a lot of Bohemian glass identified as British in older reference books -- we've learned a lot since the Iron Curtain came down.

 

Seems plausible. Particularly the pink swirled color being Bohemian.
I say this because I have in my B&M a basket with a thorned handle. It is signed with an acid etch Czechoslovakia. The color of my basket is the bright yellow and red mottled color of the 1930s.

I should add that I think of Bohemian glass as late 1800s to early 1900s. Bohemia later becoming Czechoslovakia.

 

A couple things led me to believe this is not Welz. The decor, and the crimp. I have never seen a documented piece of Welz with either. That does not mean the decor and crimp isn't Welz. it just means I have never seen it on a Welz piece.

 

I don't think the above poster has seen the crimp documented as Welz but has seen it in import catalogs from Bohemia from the time and is saying that it most likelt them (Cited from: https://www.antiquers.com/threads/thorn-handled-glass-basket-victorian-or-newer.2223/)

 

The Basket could be old, but also newer. In the last 12-15 yrs. I've seen quite a lot of these baskets in a lot of different colors. I have old Art Glass books that show this type of baskets.

 

In case anyone is interested this basket has sparked a great conversation on the Vintage Glass Facebook page. Complete with photos of catalogs with this shape from 1896. Consensus is that it is definitely Bohemian from the turn of the century by probably Harrach or Welz. Is warren around this board(I think he was the guy that was into all the Bohemian glass on the ebay board) He would love the two people who are discussing this.

 

@Brywil1970 here is Facebook page that you might try posting your basket on. https://www.facebook.com/groups/ArtGlassCollectorsGroup/

 

@cxgirl

He wont be able to post it there. You have to be a member and the Admin somehow lost the ability to moderate the board (so no new members can be added either)