Cameo Signature Help Needed

Discussion in 'Jewelry' started by Bronwen, May 30, 2019.

  1. PepperAnna

    PepperAnna Well-Known Member

    I was surprised when I found the engraving. I also found 3 of Campanari treatises and they happen to be books with one page in Italian and the accompanying page in English. It makes for some very interesting reading. So this portrait really caused quite a stir and the English could have read about it in "real time".
     
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  2. PepperAnna

    PepperAnna Well-Known Member

    Thank you so much for sharing these! Your collection is unusual in its breadth and depth. I learn something new each day I read your posts.
     
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  3. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    I've sold to several, albeit small, museums on eBay... :)
     
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  4. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    What sort of items? My experience is that dealers at high end jewellery shows are a bit disdainful when I tell them a cameo I'm wearing - & they're eyeing - came from eBay. Museum curators &, to some extent, academics behave as if I'm bringing them news from a faraway land. Amazed you found museums willing to buy something; they rely so much on donations.
     
  5. bluumz

    bluumz Quite Busy

    I've had several antique/vintage clothing items go to small fashion museums around the US via eBay sales. I currently have an early 20th century garment listed that a French fashion museum expressed interest in but we could not agree on a price.

    A few years ago, I had a wonderful 1940s wool ladies ski outfit. In researching it, I came across a Colorado ski museum's website with useful info that helped me to date it. When it sold, and I was packing it up and printing the shipping label, I found that the very same museum had purchased it!

    I did once donate some fabric yardage to Boston's American Textile History museum, a Smithsonian affiliate. I had contacted them for some info and the person who responded was very excited and stated that my fabric was one of only few Associated American Artists fabrics that they had not yet been able to even acquire a photo of, let alone a piece of. I offered them a yard for their collection and received a one year free entry membership to their museum in return. Unfortunately, they are now defunct and all their items were dispersed to museums around the country. I do wonder what happened to my little textile donation.

    EDIT: Well, a google search told me where my particular fabric donation went... it's now at the Cooper-Hewitt in NYC. :shame:
     
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  6. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Wondered if it wasn't vintage clothing. What interesting experiences you've had & the travels of the yard of cloth are fascinating. The Cooper-Hewitt, how cool is that? FIT might have been interested too. Guess when it comes to clothes & yard goods, collections have discovered that eBay, etc., are where it's at.
     
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  7. loki

    loki New Member

    Hi, I found this forum by looking online for 'Lamont' which is scratched on the back of a cameo I own. I discovered its called 'Tavern scene after Teniers' but looks more like a farmhouse kitchen to me. I found a couple of examples of the same scene, all slightly different. However mine has Regd 24th Oct 1848 stamped on it. Would that make mine the original? I am intending to list it on ebay once I know enough about it. thanks
     
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  8. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Welcome, Loki. (Or maybe I should be careful about that, Loki is a big troublemaker!) Would you please show us your cameo, front & back, especially this registration stamp? I have never seen such a thing on a cameo & can only guess at how it would look. I don't know in what sense the cameo would be 'the original.' As you found, yours is not the only cameo to feature the scene.

    'Lamant', the name used by A.-V. Juliot, was French & declared bankruptcy in France in 1850, but in the research we did into him we found evidence of a partnership that had business operations in England until the partnership was dissolved in 1865. Your stamp is English, so the question is what did 'registered' mean at that time?

    Could we please see what you are telling us about before we try to work this out any farther? :)
     
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  9. PepperAnna

    PepperAnna Well-Known Member

    Does anyone recognize this signature?

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  10. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Sorry, don't recognize it & can't find a name that's a good fit for it in the lists of cameo makers in the several guides to Rome I have in my files, nor in the one for mid-century Paris.
     
  11. PepperAnna

    PepperAnna Well-Known Member

    Thanks Bronwen. I couldn't find a match for it either. I came up with Celethy when I read it. A mystery...
     
  12. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    Could be a Neapolitan carver. There must have been a ton of them.

    We found with 'Silz' that the downstroke creating the look of a z was a flourish.
     
  13. loki

    loki New Member

    Hi, thank you for replying. I hope I am a boat builder and not a trouble maker :) Here are the pictures you asked for. Although the cameo is in perfect condition the gold surround is a bit battered, but I am really interested in what you make of it.
     
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  14. loki

    loki New Member

    Problem I dont know how to add an image as it want the url and the photos are on my desktop. ?
     
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  15. PepperAnna

    PepperAnna Well-Known Member

    When you hit the "Upload a File" button and then hit "Choose File", you can choose pictures from your desktop files. Please be aware that the picture files have to be 1MB or less to load. Looking forward to seeing the cameo.
     
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  16. loki

    loki New Member

     
  17. loki

    loki New Member

    sorry I feel really stupid but I cant find any 'upload a file' button ;(
     
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  18. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    Don't worry, a lot of new members have problems posting photos at first.
    Here are instructions to upload your photos, please be sure to click "Full Size" on the little thumbnails, once loaded and before hitting "post":
    https://www.antiquers.com/threads/posting-a-thread-and-uploading-pictures.15990/

    A quick tip on posting photos iF you are using a smart phone. . .email them to yourself as 'medium' and it should resize them. Photos have to be under 1MB to post.
     
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  19. Bronwen

    Bronwen Well-Known Member

    At the bottom right below the box where you type a reply are 3 buttons: Post Reply; Upload a File; More Options... >>>>>>>>

    After files are uploaded, please select Full Size, not thumbnails.
     
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  20. PepperAnna

    PepperAnna Well-Known Member

    Well, I found a similar signature to the one I posted a few days ago. Perhaps it reads Scipioni? The writing on the writing side of the cameo I have also seen before.... I wish I know who this was.

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