E. Kaufmann litho, Confirmation Certificate for Ludwig Rudolph.

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  1. Armando0831

    Armando0831 Well-Known Member

    image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg image.jpg I got this at the same sale with the fertility dolls. It's an original Death Certificate litho from E. Kaufmann. I did some research and found a few from this artist. They rarely issued these during the mid 1800s.
     
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  2. Messilane

    Messilane Well-Known Member

    It appears to be a Confirmation certificate to me.
     
  3. Armando0831

    Armando0831 Well-Known Member

    Just wondering, what's the difference between the two?
     
  4. Messilane

    Messilane Well-Known Member

    A lot?
    One is for a person's confirmation into the Christian church - the other is issued when they die.
    Not all religions have it (I think) but most of the "big" ones do.
     
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  5. Armando0831

    Armando0831 Well-Known Member

    Oh wow, better change the title!! Thank you!
     
  6. Messilane

    Messilane Well-Known Member

    The age would be about right for it as well.
     
  7. Armando0831

    Armando0831 Well-Known Member

    Thank you for the info. I've corrected my thread.
     
  8. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Don't get me wrong, Armando, you have a very impressive looking document with nice graphics. But the lithography is not technically an "original" (implying the first of it's kind.) It's a form for use by German-speaking congregations - in this case, St. Paul's Evangelical Lutheran Church of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania - with which to document a young person's Confirmation, a rite signifying his acceptance into membership in the church.

    Yes, the hand-written information about young Ludwig Rudolph, was in fact, hand done at the time of his confirmation. But there were thousands of these printed, if not more. (Not "rarely" used at all.) If Ludwig was an important historical figure or if you happen to be related to him, it could have either monetary or emotional value, depending. But otherwise not a great deal.

    I'm a little confused about what you said about the "preacher" being a very important person in "the German Church." Could you elaborate on where you got that information?
     
  9. Armando0831

    Armando0831 Well-Known Member

    I get a little ahead of myself. When I was stating "original" I was trying to point out that this piece had original writing. I sometimes get my writing garbaged up. I'm also taking some serious pain meds today for my ankle.

    I had found a webpage, and for the life of me, I can't find it again. It had the preachers name on a list of individuals that held positions in the church. I wish I would of printed it but I had no printer at the time. I will research more and hopefully come across it. It was only one link that had this info that I could find anything about him.

    I've found this same litho on a site for $59. Now that not a lot of money, but still worth something.

    About the part being "rare".. It was during the middle part of the 1800s the a sharp rise in confirmation certificates were made. So, yes, I misread that part.
     
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  10. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Well, if I found a document like this for sale online that I knew was created for a close relative's event of some kind, I might be convinced to spend $60 for it, true. Was that "list price" or sold?

    And I'm sorry to hear about your ankle. Pain is the pits, isn't it?
     
  11. Armando0831

    Armando0831 Well-Known Member

    It was a list price. Ya, I'm out of work till next Tuesday, bummer.
     
  12. Armando0831

    Armando0831 Well-Known Member

    F. Wischan was the pastor for that church at that time frame. I'm coming up with information thst he was also an author.
     
  13. Bakersgma

    Bakersgma Well-Known Member

    Absolutely makes sense that he was the pastor of that church at the time. My confirmation certificate was signed by the local pastor, as was my mother's. (I just checked.)
     
  14. Armando0831

    Armando0831 Well-Known Member

    F. Wischan was the 2nd Vice President for The Philadelphia Seminary from 1883-86 and 1900-1903. He was also the Secretary from 1873-74.

    So, F. Wischan was an noted author, Vice President and Treasurer for a seminary and a pastor. On a board for Christian Cyclopedia, it's quoted as saying about Wischan "the soul of the Board of German Missions" of the General Council. That's nice to have his sig.
     
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