Featured this is wave crest yes? The pattern looks exactly like one I see on worth pt.

Discussion in 'Pottery, Glass, and Porcelain' started by sunday silence, Oct 26, 2020.

  1. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    However, mine does not have the footed base that you see on worth point. I took some pics of the bottom now I cant find them anyhow here's some pics:

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  2. Aquitaine

    Aquitaine Is What It IS! But NEVER BORED!

    Can't help, but VERY pretty!!!!
     
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  3. Cherryhill

    Cherryhill Well-Known Member

    Yes, that's Wave Crest, a 'dresser jar'. It might have been silk lined once.

    If memory serves, Wave Crest was a decorator, not a glass producer. Other companies made the glass.
     
  4. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    I thought they were a producer. I remember reading one of the old Wormans guides or some such saying that the factory had burned down around the turn of the century.
     
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  5. Marie Forjan

    Marie Forjan Well-Known Member

    Wave Crest was made by the C. F. Monroe company in Meriden, Connecticut and patented in 1892 :)
     
  6. Grateful

    Grateful Well-Known Member

    My Mother's last "big thing" to collect was Wave Crest. So many pieces and probably at the peak market price. I only have one left and another sibling has a few. Most have been sold for 1/2 their purchase price. Here are photos of two of the bibles:

    WC Book1.jpg

    WC Book2.jpg

    I'll look and see if I can't find your piece in one of them.
     
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  7. Grateful

    Grateful Well-Known Member

    At first pass, I didn't see it. I will look again more carefully tomorrow. C.F. Monroe Co. (Wave Crest), Smith Bros., and Mt. Washington-Pairpoint Glass all decorated opal ware blanks coming from abroad or Pairpoint. In Wave Crest Land, that swirl is referred to as Helmschmied Swirl. Across Wave Crest, items of the same pattern may, or may not, have feet-often due to a size difference. Do you have the Worthpoint link?
     
  8. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

  9. Cherryhill

    Cherryhill Well-Known Member

    The feet are metal, either made by or for C. F. Monroe, probably by them, that was their main market, metal pieces, fancy, silver plated, etc. Rodefer Glass in Bellaire, Ohio is spoken of locally as having made the Helmschmidt Swirl for them. I don't believe there is any documentation for that.
     
  10. Grateful

    Grateful Well-Known Member

    Thanks for providing the link. The photo from above does show the same design. Wave Crest pieces don't necessarily have a pattern "name", but rather first identified by the shape of the piece (mushroom/petticoat, Helmschmied Swirl, puffy egg crate, Bishop's Hat, etc.) and then further described by the design/appearance. Sometimes there are named collections of differing pieces/uses with the same design. Any marking on the bottom of your piece would be very helpful confirming it is Wave Crest, and not a piece of one of the other makers. Further complicating things, a few Wave Crest pieces are not marked, so another avenue to confirm is necessary (like found in one of the resources I posted with the notation that it was never marked.) See if you can find those photos or if the piece is accessible, retake and post.

    I looked carefully through the pages of my books, and this particular design didn't jump out. I'll give it one more pass through each before I tuck them away.
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2020
  11. Grateful

    Grateful Well-Known Member

    My reference book indicates that in 1892 (Oct. 4) Carl F. Helmschmied patented the Helmschmied Swirl or Erie Twist (as it is also called) blank.
     
  12. Grateful

    Grateful Well-Known Member

    Since it's been awhile since I last sold any of my Mom's Wave Crest, I decided to look at current prices on the internet. Imagine my surprise when I ran across the listing for the piece you show in your pictures-the exact piece right down to the background. The description is verbatim portions of the Worthpoint description, right down to the metal feet, which this piece does not have. People on the site have gone above-and-beyond to guide me through my things, so this was a little disappointing, to say the least. Not sure just what you were looking for by posting to begin with.
     
  13. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    Grateful that was my listing on ebay that you saw. I am trying to figure out 1) how do we authenticate wavecrest on just the pics and 2) what is the significance of lack of feet; does it affect the value?

    I am sorry if my listing offended you. I dont understand your concern. I said at the outset this was my piece and it is. I havent had time to post the pics of the bottom but I will in due time. What exactly is the problem with asking the question that I did?

    I like to put things up on ebay as soon as I obtain them because if I dont stuff seems to accumulate and never get listed.
     
  14. Grateful

    Grateful Well-Known Member

    I guess I feel that you could have been more upfront with your questions and I think the description in your listing is inaccurate when you cut & paste, indicating yours has feet, which is doesn't.

    All that aside, unless you find someone extremely knowledgeable (those ranks are dwindling), it would be difficult to verify the fact it's Wave Crest without a photo in a reference book or a mark. Problem with the mark is that most of the earliest and often more sought after pieces were marked with a sticker that is long gone in many cases. I have yet to come across any information that indicates a piece is more valuable with feet (although that may be the case is certain situation.) Floral and portrait pieces are the most often encountered pieces, with those highly sought after being seascapes, landscapes, animals, birds, courting couples, and Indian motifs (Wave Crest term), as well as those with writing such as "Biscuits, Souvenirs", Humidors", etc. Pieces that go for the big bucks are most likely the very large vases. Best of luck is selling your piece.
     
  15. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    Your upset because my listing made a mistake? BUt the listing wasnt part of my post here. So I dont get it...
     
  16. Grateful

    Grateful Well-Known Member

    Rest assured, I'm not the ebay police. I was simply pointing out that if I dropped that amount of money on something, I'd like the item to match the description. Regardless, I was simply trying to give you some guidance/help regarding Wave Crest. I suggest we put this to rest. Again, best of luck selling your item.
     
  17. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    what was the "not upfront" part that you were upset about?
     
  18. Iowa Jayhawk

    Iowa Jayhawk Well-Known Member

    That one on worthpoint sold for $488.03 in January.
     
  19. sunday silence

    sunday silence Well-Known Member

    Here's the bottom of the jar. Happy now? 20201029_133024.jpg 20201029_133030.jpg 20201029_133035.jpg 20201029_133046.jpg
     
  20. bercrystal

    bercrystal Well-Known Member

    I have not seen your listing but I will tell you that your piece does not have "feet". It may be considered a "footed" piece. Using the word "feet" means separate pieces, usually 3 or 4, that elevate an item.
     
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