is this an ancient sword/dagger?

Discussion in 'Militaria' started by lisaS, Sep 23, 2017.

  1. lisaS

    lisaS Active Member

    Hi everyone, can anyone identify this piece I have? It looks like there are a few strips of metal forged together rather than one piece, it is 22cm long and 4cm wide it almost looks like a dagger or spear head. It had been washed up from the Irish sea, 9_22_2017 6_09_05 PM.jpg
     
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  2. buyingtime777

    buyingtime777 Well-Known Member

    That is almost impossible to ID from pictures. Do you have a museum in your area? They may be best qualified to examine it and help determine if it is an old weapon or blade.
     
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  3. lisaS

    lisaS Active Member

    9_22_2017 9_56_12 PM.jpg thank you I will its definitely interesting thanks
     
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  4. afantiques

    afantiques Well-Known Member

    The thinner stub on one end is too short for it to have been a weapon. The tang always extends the length of the handle for strength, that would snap off the handle quite easily.
    It may be a metal marlinspike.
     
  5. lisaS

    lisaS Active Member

    Would it be made from strips of metal forged together? As that seems to be the base for the object, I appreciate its hard to see from pictures I will take it to my local museum and will let you know what they say
     
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  6. daveydempsey

    daveydempsey Moderator Moderator

    You will have to take them to your local museum.

    They could be ancient or just a few years old and been corroded by the salt water.
    Did you find your items with a detector ?

    A local guy found a 3000 year old sword less than half a mile from my front door in the nearby fields.

    3 Bronze age boats were found a few years ago buried in silt on the rivers edge dated from 1720BC, the Romans actually walked over these some 1600 years later.

    Here`s some weapons from the Iron age found locally.

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  7. lisaS

    lisaS Active Member

    Thank you, I love visiting beaches and usually collect beach rocks and sea gems the British beaches are full of treasures! Along the way I find unusual things this was one of interest to me it was kind of half buried in the muddy sand thanks for your input a trip to the museum is definitely needed I think
     
  8. Joshua Brown

    Joshua Brown Decently-Known-Member

    That does resemble a knife. :)
     
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  9. lisaS

    lisaS Active Member

    9_22_2017 9_56_12 PM.jpg Thank you it certainly looks like one I don't think its modern the strips of metal make me think its ancient as you don't usually see modern knives/swords made that way, I'm only a beginner though so my imagination is wild
     
  10. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

    A bit of misconception... There are hundreds of blade smiths making layered blades today.Virtually every historic blade has been reproduced by hobbyist and professionals.

    One UK smith http://owenbush.co.uk/seaxes/
     
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  11. moreotherstuff

    moreotherstuff Izorizent

    There are lines there that may be indicative of a fuller. The tang, if it is one, should certainly be longer, but it might be broken. As the others have said you're going to need a hands-on look by someone who knows.
     
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  12. lisaS

    lisaS Active Member

    Thank you I'm open to everyone's suggestions and I value everyone's opinion
     
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  13. lisaS

    lisaS Active Member

    Thank you
     
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  14. buyingtime777

    buyingtime777 Well-Known Member

    Damascus steel is an example of a modern knife maker working layers together into a blade. It is very common actually.
     
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  15. springfld.arsenal

    springfld.arsenal Store: http://www.springfieldarsenal.net/

    The striated oxidation pattern looks like wrought iron. An x-ray would be able to see the basic outline of the item through the corrosion; it may look quite different from what the camera sees now. See if any institutions or businesses nearby would be curious enough to pay for an x-ray.
     
  16. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    I'm with Springfld, thinking that the apparent layers may just be a result of the way the metal has rusted, rather than indicating layered/Damascus construction. And with MOS in thinking that the handle might well have been longer originally. Also, though weapons may usually have a long tang, it is common for less-expensive kitchen knives to have a short tang that is slotted into the handle; and inexpensive iron rusts much more quickly than one might think.
     
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  17. Hollyblue

    Hollyblue Well-Known Member

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  18. all_fakes

    all_fakes Well-Known Member

    I'd agree with that, certainly; and that many weapons do have shorter tangs.
     
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  19. Figtree3

    Figtree3 What would you do if you weren't afraid?

    I hope that when you have consulted the museum you will come back here to report on their thoughts!
     
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